MooseBoysI'm not even sure I want to know
MonsieurHedgePeople who think being a jackass is a form of activism. That's all you really need to know.
I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is bit every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything.
Can you provide some examples?
I don’t know personally, but a commenter above wrote:
I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
So if there’s any truth in that, the backlash could be a bunch of whiney butthurt Nazis.
Again: can I please have a link to show why they are bad.
Otherwise it is just: Trust me Bro
No you may not have a link. Linking to bad things makes a person bad. Providing evidence of bad things makes a person bad. Anything other than belief makes you bad. In fact I think you must be one of the bad people, because evidence of righteous claims supports the idea that righteous claims require evidence, which is bad.
Wet Noodle[email protected] just posted a link to a community with many of the reasons to dislike hexbear
Well someone posted a bunch of screenshots that just make you look kinda goofy now
I went to a link below and honestly, as another commenter succinctly summarized as “whiny butthurt Nazis” was a giant “freedom” murica style. Seriously, my eyes hurt, I left.
GnothiIf you’d like examples I know some of their bad takes are starting to be posted to [email protected]
I have been there and not seen anything worth banning an instance.
Can you give a direct link to somersaulting you think should result in de-federation?
They’re tankies. End of story.
Again. Trust me bro.
That is not evidence.
Literally scrolled for 10 seconds and hey genocide denial. …dbzer0.com/…/c9fc2504-6828-4d30-ad4a-9224e2a2e58…
Not to mention unironic Russia shilling. When I called out a mod he responded with “oh yeah well America worked with nazis.”
Cool. That’s bad too. They’re contrarian to the point of parody. Literally any wrong by China Russia or north Korea is justified by “well America did the same thing” as if leftists as a whole aren’t already on board with that thing being bad, but it still doesn’t excuse that bad thing now.
Thank you.
Finally something ban worthy.
I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.
Just throwing out the word tankie is pretty much meaningless at this point. It might as well be “woke”. If you have specific issues explain that rather than just trying to shut down a conversation with a word. Some users might be a bit too sympathetic too China but I’ve typically seen them more come from a reasonable non US propaganda viewpoint and have been open to actual criticism about China. Some of it can seem like whataboutism but to be fair a lot of the complaints I see about China are shit the US does as well so it can be a fair point.
In terms of the "tankie problem", it's mostly supporting Russian aggression in Ukraine pretty much solely to "own the libs" and "get back at the evil NATO". Most "tankies", a term that has become effectively meaningless from overuse, are more accurately political contrarians who care less about things getting better for more people and more about Owning The Libs.
There's honestly a good chunk of them on most fediverse instances just due to the general community vibe, with Hexbear having more than, say, lemmy.world, but less than lemmygrad. Hexbear stands out moreso to being the successor to Chapo Trap House, a community notorious for being so utterly vile to interact with that nobody wants anything to do with them.
Do your think Ukraine and NATO are above reproach?
No, but they're absolutely the lesser of two evils here. I'm generally not sure how people justify a war of territorial expansion to stroke the ego of a geriatric dictator in Ukraine, then turn around and get angry about a war of territorial expansion to stroke the ego of a geriatric dictator in, say, Afghanistan.
It's hypocrisy. You dronestrike a children's hospital in Kabul and everyone acknowledges the evil of it, but Russia dronestrikes a children's hospital in Ukraine and suddenly it's justified as "retaliating against western imperialism". Sure, and Iran had nukes Uncle Sam needed to find, too.
Lesser of two evils? Please. How old do you think I am, ten? I’m not at all sure they’re the lesser of two evils, but then I’m pretty critical of things like imf, World Bank, allying with Saudi Arabia “ccp bad” garbage. Humans are animals and I’m here to learn and the western narrative is rather sanitized so no thanks.
You are a political contrarian if you think invading a sovereign nation is justified by "the western narrative is rather sanitized". You don't care about people's lives or welfare, you care about Being Special and Being Better Than Other People.
To be blunt, you disgust me with your callous disregard for the lives of innocents solely to be cool and edgy on the internet.
Nah, you’re just trying to bully me to agree with you, with zero sense of irony in a thread ostensibly about the same behavior; unless that’s not why you’re upset with that behavior, per se.
I don't particularly care if you agree with me or not. What I find interesting is that what motivates your political positions are effectively identical to, say, an American christofascist. Disdain for the mainstream media, performative cynicism, conspiratorial thinking. If it goes counter to The Mainstream, it must be good. The idea that people may be harmed by your position doesn't matter to you at all. People """are animals""", after all, and they matter to you only as props in your self-aggrandizing personal narrative.
I'm genuinely not sure how you're intending to sell your position of "Empathy is for losers, the only thing that matters is Being Right On The Internet" as anything other than repulsive, or how you're not demonstrating why people dislike hexbear users (i.e. spitting on the concept of basic human empathy due to political contrarianism).
What? You just made a bunch of knee-jerk accusations of which nothing I said could reasonably lead you to conclude.
Take every claim you made and prove it like you went to high school English classes because frankly, you just made up claims attacking me, personally, because I dared say I want to hear what someone else has to say and form my own opinions. And accused me of being “just like the Christofascist” with zero sense of irony.
Also, please let me know when humans aren’t in the animal kingdom. How old are you? Ten?
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
For me, I don’t support what Russia is doing. I just don’t want to further empower the US military industrial complex. Every couple of years there needs to be a new evil enemy for us to be scared of so that the money can keep flowing into weapons and so that we have excuses to extract value out of other countries in conflict. It’s obvious we don’t do this for humanitarian reasons or we wouldn’t be allies with countries like Saudi Arabia (or see the entire history of US intervention since WWII). Whether Russia wins or loses the war, people in Ukraine aren’t winning, they’re just seeing which imperialists are going to be exploiting them for the near future.
In the abstract I don’t oppose assisting countries against imperialist aggression with military force. But playing into US warmongering doesn’t really do that and in the process is further making the world a worse place.
A good deed done for the wrong reasons is still a good deed. The reason why NATO is the lesser of two evils in this sense is that between two brutal authoritarian regimes, NATO is significantly more hands-off and more open to being manipulated by civilian interest than the more brutally right-wing Russian regime. One of these exploitative imperialists will probably let you get gay married, the other one will kill you for it. The US military industrial complex will pick a target regardless. It may as well be a target that ends up counteracting Russian imperialism; I'd rather have those bullets in Russian corpses than, say, whatever country Saudi Arabia has decided needs bullying this week.
Anyways, the core of the issue is that it takes a LOT of hand-wringing and "b-but both sides" to justify active warfare to sit back and let an imperial power shit hellfire down civilians' throats. Anyone who actively supports pulling out of Ukraine is, bluntly, just kind of an idiot.
Nato has killed magnitudes more people though, they go to war much more often and much more vigorously than Russia.
Do you think Ukraine deserved to have Russia invade?
Well apparently Kbin has some political contrarians too, who'd have thought.
There's always at least one. I just hope that it's more of an edgy-rebellious-phase thing.
Contrarian? Hardly. I’m just aware that Western Europe and the USA have their own agendas, engage in propagandizing their own citizens, to greater or lesser extent. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous. Notice how lacked the behavior, not the person, without knowing more? Try out sometime.
So trying to frame this as "which is worse" is just a bad argument.
Put some effort into proving your position.
You also seem pretty condescending, why should people respect you if you don't respect them?
I appreciate you actually explaining your position behind the use of the word. I have a lot of issues with NATO and some with Ukraine but I agree that Russia is the aggressor in this situation. I have noticed that some of their users are pro-Russia but most of what I’ve seen is more anti-NATO which I can understand. As I said in another comment I definitely see some of the users troll more than I agree with and I personally prefer to deal with things in a different manner but overall I’m fine with being federated with them.
You may have me confused with someone else. I didn’t say anything about defederation or banning instances.
What in your opinion is behavior or views that is worthy of defederation? There appears to be many different standards for that from what I’ve seen.
Sealion alt account, got it.
Any account I don't agree with is a saeloin. Got it.
Someone provided what I was asking for and I changed my stance in a reply 10 minutes before you commented.
See my reply to @SkyezOpen in this thread.
Thank you.
Finally something ban worthy.
I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.
Now, I am sure you will retract your accusation...
Got it, still being a sea lion.
You asked for evidence. I provided it but it wasn't enough?
What is that called?...
Still asking questions I see.
Blah balh balh
I’ve been asking for links to examples, in posts about online trends, for about a decade now and nobody has ever even once risen to the challenge.
At this point any claim of the form “The internet has X happening on it” I just immediately dismiss until I see evidence. Which I never do.
I’m sure a lot of people just think your a sea lion.
It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you.
It's not everyone on the internet's responsibility to change their opinion to match yours. It is incredibly narrow minded to assume that someone would just do "research" and end with the same opinion of a group of people as you.
If you see someone express an opinion, and you don't know why, you ask them, not go to other sources to find why.
If you rely on others too full you in with knowledge, you must not have learned anything after school.
If you rely on others...
Yeah, I'm sure you formed that opinion on a factual basis that you found through no help from what others posted or said. When I want to learn something, I do research on books and online media. When I want to understand someone's opinion, I ask them. If you don't know the difference between those two, your problems stem way earlier than "after school".
You sound like the closeted book nerd that doesn't understand public opinion. Like all the people on Twitter who once read something about "blacks are more violent than other races", and if you ask them why they think that, how many stats they read that confirm that, possibilities of other reasons for a study's conclusion, they respond with "It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you"- sound familiar?
If you want to accuse this "intensely human" person of lying, just do it. But claiming that anyone who hasn't seen an example within thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands? Only been around for 2 months, but millions of site uses) of posts of users being "tankies" just needs to "research" is obtuse and moronic. If someone makes the claim, surely they have an example, and don't expect everyone who sees this meme to read thousands of messages before continuing on their journey through !memes.
Except you, of course, who has clearly learned after school not to rely on others, so you must have read all of the comments from various hexbear users yourself, and not taken that opinion from some other poster's list, right? You did waste all that time before suggesting others do the same for no reason, right?
K buddy, I’m not reading that.
Never? With variable “X” never?
MrJukesI haven’t really had any issues with them. That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies…so there is that.
Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.
While I don't agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.
For sure, I’m not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.
I have never see anything worth the hate.
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You've seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the "dunk tank" that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you're kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with "just trust me bro" is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they're assholes. While you may think this isn't worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren't some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and """shitposting""" hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It's legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that's enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
ArxCyberwolf
GormadtFor anyone curious:
Source for the thread where that image comes from.
The whole thread is pretty eye opening to be honest. Especially the top comment.
Amendments to the Code of Conduct regarding the Fediverse - Hexbear
Hi all, With regards to our recent integration into the Fediverse, it has become evident that specific rules should be outlined regarding our conduct towards it and our place in it. As such, we are making provisional amendments to the Code of Conduct in specific regard to federation as we find our footing and stake our ground as a part of the wider Fediverse ecosystem. The amendments are as such, demarcated within the dividers: __________ # Federation In regards to the Fediverse, a dual-pronged approach should be assumed: Local Communities Conduct remains as previously outlined [in the Hexbear Code of Conduct], except: 1. Users visiting Hexbear should be given breathing room to inquire in good-faith about topics that seem obvious to well-trodden leftists. Assume good faith in even the most obvious of questions, except in cases where a user is explicitly acting in a combative or unreasonable manner. 2. Do not ping users from other federated instances with intent to goad or mock. 3. Do not directly link to comments or posts of other federated instances on public posts with intent to goad or mock. 4. Disengagement rules, whilst not amended, are thoroughly emphasized regarding visiting users. Federated Instances Assume the conduct outlined regarding local communities, as well as: 1. When in a federated instance, their rules (and their code of conduct) apply. 2. Allow instances their own space for discussion, if requested implicitly or explicitly. If said discussion regards this site or its users, you are allowed to discuss said discussion within the local purview (meaning, within a Hexbear community), with regards to the rules laid out prior. 3. Conduct that is deemed untenably toxic to the Fediverse and Hexbear’s standing within it (by discretion of Hexbear moderation) may be subject to reprisal, regardless of whether it is explicitly outlined. _______ We're thankful to the moderation and admins of the instances federated with us for their patience as we carve out our own little hole within the Fediverse. And to our beautiful posters, thank you for bearing with us in this week where decades happen 07 [https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/4d01158b-c48e-41d4-a94f-5f66eb7f051f.png]
They’re tankies. End of story.
This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.
People don't put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder
This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn't die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.
THIS https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense
Is a much better receipt. User doesn't understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn't understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.
even with this guy, I don't understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he's going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that's a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.
Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.
It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.
It’s kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.
goatThe purpose is to highlight that tankies are extremists who hide their bigotry and hatred behind progressivism.
I would respect you more if you had more interests than disliking these people.
You don’t dislike people who deny and even celebrate genocides? Don’t think I want your respect if such content is okay with you.
Show me some receipts
Cherry picking sarcastic comments is fine even