Björkus "No time_t to Die" DorkusSep 4, 2023

When someone decides to make up entire bungles of horse shit in their "explanation" and "apology" ( https://archive.ph/Utaz1 ) about the weird shit they did.

I want off this fucking ride.

"Postpone to 2024"? Present at a "tier 2 conference"? My reasoning is contained directly in my blog post ( https://thephd.dev/i-am-no-longer-speaking-at-rustconf-2023#-huh ). If you're going to fucking lie about me at least try and be fucking accurate about it:

“It is also deeply confusing and ultimately insulting for them not to contact me beforehand and simply ask me if I would disclaimer my work to make it clear that they did not explicitly endorse this direction. Multiple times before the RustConf schedule and program was released, I made it obscenely clear that there was not going going to be an RFC for the work I was talking about (“Pre-RFC” is the exact wording I used when talking to individuals involved with Rust Project Leadership), that this might bias folks, and whether or not it would be okay to do this. Individuals in contact with me both inside and outside RustConf leadership made it abundantly clearly that this topic was perfectly fine. Furthermore, they had already met to discuss my work before hand, so at no point should anyone be confused about what my intentions and goals are.”
That someone would try to use game-of-telephone bullshit to make it seem like I deserved to have my keynote outright removed (which was the ACTUAL SUGGESTION given to RustConf, and they changed it to a DOWNGRADE to prevent bigger fallout from Triplett and Tolnay's CLEAR oversteps and, apparently, outright lies here!), or that I was in agreement with such a removal, when I literally took the required time to make a proper assessment of the situation and respond like an ADULT, is some WILD nonsense!

Is this a common Rust Project occurrence? Do people just do this ALL THE TIME? WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE?!

Edit: added some fucking alt-text because I'm so fucking annoyed at this bullshit.

Show threadLuna D DragonSep 4, 2023
@thephd in case someone hasn't said it yet, the gist was updated and Tolnay claims that he just "forgot" or "misremembered"
Show threadBjörkus "No time_t to Die" DorkusSep 4, 2023

@lunarequest Forgot or misremembered a conversation he wasn't there for, consulted no existing resources, and then just tooootally dropped that in his footnotes without linking to the very public information around the subject?

Yeah.

I'm buying it, for sure.

Show threadLuna D DragonSep 4, 2023
@thephd I'm very much in the camp that he should be removed from working on rust lang. if possible even from projects like serde as well. Wish i could do more than saying this.
Show threadactioninjaSep 4, 2023
@lunarequest @thephd
Serde is effectively owned by dtolnay, he is the top dog maintainer and direct commits to master. I don't see ousting him from lang happening, but getting him out of serde is practically impossible.
You would need to make a new serialization library, but it's currently impossible to provide what Serde does without taking the same approach of requiring the types to implement it because no remote derives and the orphan rule. It would suck to split the ecosystem, and Serde already has the network effect.
And of course, the project that would have allowed this to change was cancelled after a controversy involving pressure from backchannels to kneecap their work.
What a coincidence.
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Show threadscunneen (he/him) 🚋Sep 4, 2023
@actioninja @lunarequest @thephd Can't someone just fork Serde? It is open source, isn't it?
Show threaddana Sep 4, 2023
@scunneen and fork all the projects that use it… it’s not so simple.
Show threadscunneen (he/him) 🚋Sep 4, 2023
@blinkygal Well considering that this guy apparently pushed changes to it which broke stuff without any warning, I'd think everyone using it would be looking for an alternative
Show threaddana 
@scunneen Folks were starting to, but he removed those changes since it was just a ploy to motivate an rfc he was about to publish, apparently. I am not saying it’s not possible, just that forking a library is far from a complete solution.
Sep 4, 2023 at 7:06pmWeb
Show threadscunneen (he/him) 🚋Sep 4, 2023
@blinkygal Yeah, you'd need to convince a huge number of people to go along with it and some people would have to take on the burden of maintaining the fork. I'm just a college student so I'm sure there are even more challenges I don't understand. I don't know much about Rust and it does seem this guy made some valuable contributions. But based on the crap he pulled on @ThePHD and willingness to temporarily break stuff as a stunt, he sounds like he could become a millstone around Rust's neck.