To add to my previous question..does the non existance of ghosts,demons,cryptids,etc make life kinda uninteresting?

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To add to my previous question..does the non existance of ghosts,demons,cryptids,etc make life kinda uninteresting? - Lemmy.world

Uninteresting in the context that nothing of that sort exists and everything can just be explained with a scientific explanation. Does it take away all interest/mystery from it all for anyone else? I wish all that shit did exist because it’d make things a whole lot more interesting.

I mean in the way that it makes there less things that can possibly happen in the real world sure, but it generally makes things significantly safer to a degree that more interesting things can happen rather than you know having to deal with the random ass Chupacabra coming to murder my ass or some creepypasta creature coming out of my computer that there is 0 possible or reasonable way to stop.
I’d love to see a weird af creature. Closest thing I can think of is a platypus… Perry the platypus
You live on the same planet as this awesome Magnapinna squid and are able to see it because of science. Is that not weird or interesting enough for you?
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Still - I always get my wooden peg and hammer when people ask to enter the room while the door is open.
I don’t think so. Because everything can be explained with a scientific explanation it’s exactly why life is so interesting!
Well I’d say it’s more interesting in a sense. Say for example we scientifically explain a ghost as something that can be measured and examined. Or an actual demon. Or even, say, the Flatwoods Monster. Then, that would mean that there’s some sort of spiritual energy that dead people can use to wander Earth, like the Force. And there’s an actual hell and, in turn, that would mean there’s other dimensions or whatever out there. And that there’s an alien race wandering Earth with glowing eyes. If we could scientifically explain things imagine the possibilities that would open up for a new sort of science or thinking.

Well, there are plenty of awesome things that can happen and do exist.

First of all, cryptids might actually exist. Maybe not the most famous ones that have been searched for for decades, but what about all the other cryptids that pop up once in a while? It’s exceedingly unlikely they exist, sure, but is a huge moth that kinda resembles a person in bad lighting somewhere really impossible? Mayhap.

But the rest, I think explaining things is great! Why do you think ghosts and demons are cool? Personally, I think human psychology is very cool, and science is cool. Explaining ghosts and demons with carbon monoxide poisoning is cool, in my opinion… Even ghosts, if they were real, might have a scientific explanation. We’d certainly look for one!

Maybe what you’re saying is that you wish things that we just couldn’t explain existed? But the reality is that there have always been, and there will always be things that we cannot know and cannot explain yet. It used to be ghosts, cryptids, and demons, now it’s some quantum stuff I think, and black holes or whatever. Maybe you should just look at the things we don’t understand yet, and you’ll find there’s plenty of wonder and creepiness and weird implications and possibilities. IDK, just saying.

I dunno…the idea of nothing existed and then a big bang happened and all this shit coalesced and formed and it’s been here so long it’s all too far away. … I mean, WTF? Explain that? That leads to all sorts of potential… the dinosaurs were around for tens of millions of years. TENS!! OF MILLIONS!! I guess, human ancestors were here 6million years ago too.far out, nothing then something. Science says a big bang… like a pop test? Anyways, I think theres no room for ghosts and shit when there’s all the unexplored

Do you realise that the more we discover, the more questions we have that cannot be explained by science?

  • Dark matter and dark energy
  • Quantum entanglement
  • Quantum gravity
  • Singularity in a black hole

One day scientists might find answers to those questions, and I am sure even more puzzling questions will come up.

It is far from boring.

What I like to say is that the universe is interesting enough as it is without needing to make anything up. Perhaps ghosts and demons and cryptids don’t exist, but what about dark matter and dark energy? They make up the majority of the universe and we don’t know what they are. Why did the Big Bang happen? What’s inside a black hole? Are there aliens out there? How the heck are we even alive?

A big part of science is acknowledging that we really kind of don’t know a lot about the world around us. Scientists regularly find things that just make us think, “Wait a second, this shouldn’t have been possible…” Just because there are some things that we do know, doesn’t mean that we know everything. And likely, we won’t be able to know everything, even in the far future. It’s ok to want a bit of mysticism! In fact, science encourages you to dream big and think about what sorts of things haven’t been discovered yet. But there’s too many dreams and too many undiscovered things, and you need to pick and choose which things to get excited about.

Why get excited about demons when you can discover where the demons came from and which group of humans named them? Why get excited about cryptids when 90% of species are still undiscovered and the ocean trenches are virtually completely unexplored? In the same vein that a friend who responds to your messages is more interesting than a friend who ghosts you, wouldn’t it also be true that a field that promises real unknowns and consistent discoveries is more interesting than a field that maybe, possibly might have discoveries?

To put it bluntly, if you think science isn’t full of unknowns and hopes and dreams, then you’re not digging deep enough!

It’s not that they don’t exist, we’ve just named them all and shoved them all into nice scientific classifications 😹 fuckin mangey bears with injured forepaws have been freaking people out forever. Also, don’t forget that imagination is part of the universe and is not somehow excluded from reality. I think the infinite variety made possible by consciousness and interacting with other beings is where the majority of interesting things in our universe lie. It’s all math, we just like the really complicated math.
There are many unexplained things in the real world and many genuine dangers. The search for answers to unanswered questions takes significant drive.
It’s up to you to make your life interesting. Don’t blame it on Bigfoot
The avid cryptozoologists in my extended social sphere are among the least interesting people I know, so I think you are on to something here.

Even if you deny all ghosts, demons and other spiritual entities except humans (and maybe animals), then life itself remains.

Life itself is a kind of mystery, an interesting one and an important one. Without life you stop existing and then it gets really boring ;-)

Without ghosts etc, IMHO you are bound to “fall back” to the question about the meaning of life.

No. Life with ghosts and the paranormal would be fucking bonkers and miserable. You think billionaires are shitty now?
These things would have had to exist to make life interesting in the first place. My life isn't less interesting because Superman does not exist. Like their immortal counterparts, the gods, cryptids don't explain anything, they just introduce more questions. It's a fun fantasy, and folk lore and mythology are endlessly interesting, but they are just that.
Superman doesn’t exist??!!! Next you’re going to tell me Santa doesn’t exist. I’m not listening to you 🙉
I hope you’re sitting down because I have some bad news about the Easter Bunny.
Is it going to be about where a bunny gets so many eggs?
Umm, what makes you think that if they did exist they wouldn't also be explainable by science? Also, if you dig really deep into anything you'll find all kinds of fascinating stuff even if it's not supernatural.
My thought exactly! If anything of the type OP mentioned did actually exist, it would now be in the realm of science! Science at its core is just observation.
Does the realm of science include all established science or all of reality?
Both, I would think. What’s currently undiscovered in reality will only be discovered by employing science, in some degree.
Did you try to kern Quantum Mechanics? The weird shit that exists there beats ghosts and demons.
I watched Ant-Man…does that count?

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I’m sure it would
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Do you think we’ve somehow explained everything that exists already? Or are you just sad that the particular things you want to exist don’t exist?

I think the basic fact of physical existence of anything is so interesting and unexplainable that it doesn’t really matter whether we have explained some of the mechanics of how it’s working now.

If ghosts and demons existed and were explained by science, why would you find them more interesting than alligators and consciousness and humans and oceans and dimensions, all the stuff that is in existence? The way we can transmit information with light? The planets and space?

Yeah? Magnets, how do they work? Seriously. Go beyond the high school level explanation and suddenly you find no one really knows.
Post- high school I’ve seen explanations that describe magnetism as a consequence of electricity with the understanding of relativistic effects.
This is a real scientist explaining why this is so difficult.
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Quantum entanglement, black holes, dark energy … all way more interesting than ghosts. We know these things exist and hope that science may one day be able to unravel them.

And replace cryptids with life that exists in some of the most extreme areas of Earth. Life in those areas have evolved some really weird ways of surviving and can be unlike anything you or I see on a day to day basis. Show one of these creatures to someone from ancient times and they’d think it was a monster/cryptid of some kind.

Even everyday animals are extremely interesting. We overlook ants all the time. One time I stopped to watch some ants. There was a big ant and a bunch of little ones. The little ones were fighting the big one. It fought back valiantly, but was overwhelmed and died. Then the little ants started dragging it away. There was this whole battle happening right beneath my feet and I almost didn’t see it. How many of those battles do I literally step over while walking to my car.

The world is incredibly complex and fascinating. You don’t need to add ghosts, Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness Monster to make the world interesting.

Dunno man, have you seen giraffes? Those fuckers are wild.

Everything can be explained by science, except for the things that can’t be explained at all.

We know lots and lots of things that can never be known or explained. They’re just not things like ghosts.

Infinitely many things, in fact.

Even more in fact, there’s more than one infinity (infinitely many, in fact. Which infinity though?).

And, there’s an infinity that we can never know: is there an infinity between the integers and the real numbers.

(I don’t want to hear anything about that being math. Math is the greatest tool science ever had. It just took a while for people to realize you couldn’t “math” the real world. You have to test your hypotheses. That’s a major difference between science and math)

Science is interesting. If you don’t agree, you can fuck off (I heard this quote from Richard Dawkins, not sure if it’s original)

Does it take away all interest/mystery from it all for anyone else?

Not really.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too”?

Or Richard Feynman

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe. Although I may not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is … I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

To me it certainly does. Like, the only cryptid I even entertain that might be real, is bigfoot. Why? Because it’s the most mundane, boring-ass cryptid there is. Another ape species. Big whoop.

Of course… If monsters, and ghosts and magic were real, and I only ever lived in that world I would probably find it equally boring.

Reality is both fascinating and boring. The stuff we got s pretty good bead on is boring. It has nothing left to teach us. The stuff we know fuck all about, though… That’s the good shit.

If cryptids were real, youd probably think they were uninteresting too. The platypus for example, was thought to be fake by a lot of people right after they were discovered because they were so unusual. But now that you know that theyre real, they dont seem THAT interesting. Theyre a weird animal sure but not so weird that you doubt that they exist.

And if magic were real youd probably think it was just as mundane as a lot of science is because you were accustomed to the world having magic in it and working in a particular way. Especially considering that a lot of science is far enough beyond your current understanding that it may as well be magic. i.e just as unpredictable.

But I would argue that understanding things does not make them uninteresting. There are plenty of car guys that think cars are just the most fascinating things that have ever been made and they probably understand cars better than everyone on the planet except for the engineers that designed them. And beyond that, just because magic isn’t real does not mean that there aren’t things that we do not currently understand, it just means that there is nothing in principle that we cannot understand and thats inspiring and exciting. To me part of what makes the world interesting is that we are capable of solving the riddles of how things work and we can use that knowledge to create things that have never existed before.

We make up stories about ghosts and cryptids specifically because they’re interesting, and even if they’re not true, the stories are fun and engaging. For me, the fact that all of it is made up doesn’t matter. Ghosts aren’t real, but I’m a sucker for a good ghost story.

The fun of fiction is in the telling. We can create entire new worlds with nothing but words and imagination, and invite others to play in (and expand!) those worlds. Nothing uninteresting about that!

Isn’t this enough?

Just this world?

Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable, natural world? How does it so fail to hold our attention that we have to Diminish it with the invention of cheap, man-made myths and monsters? If you′re so into your Shakespeare, lend me your ear: “To gild refined gold, to paint the lily, To throw perfume on the violet… is just fucking silly” Or something like that.

There is a monster in the mountains near my home. It’s known to have killed many people across history.

There are instances where these things are known to have hunted humans. They’re incredibly strong, weigh as much as a car and can take your head off in a single swipe.

Few people who encounter an angry one survive.

They call this beast… A grizzly bear.

There is a lot of Internet lore about the “fact” that the word westerners use for bear comes from “brown one” (bruin is one version) because their (my) ancestors were so terrified of bears that they wouldn’t utter their actual name for bears, and it’s since been lost. This is similar to plenty of modern religious beliefs.

That true or not, our ancestors have left cave paintings suggesting that they were terrified of, you know, lions and tigers and bears, but also wolves and aurochs (the ancestors of cows).

If I remember correctly, there is some truth to that - fear of naming the things due to the belief they it might summon it. However, I think that the word is known.
If they existed, scientists would study them like everything else and they’d become just as mundane.
Ngl, it was a lot more fun back in the 90’s before the internet really took hold and you could get away with shit like that. Now every kid can google “did a hook handed man really die in my town” and find out “ThE tRuTh.” Spoilsports.
If it helps any now we can do that and just claim that the website has a bias then find a website that agrees with us.
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It can still be interesting. There’s still space and after death if you want mystery.
I don’t really find it so but from what I gather from people that isnt the norm. Really how you feel about something is a fact of your existence that very little I could say would change.