infyrinAug 29, 2023

What kind of defenders can you not tolerate?

https://lemmy.world/post/4086995

What kind of defenders can you not tolerate? - Lemmy.world

People who defend shoplifting from stores. I had a minor debate with someone who was pridefully going on about how we should steal from stores to affect the profits of the CEO and “The Man”. I had to inform them that stealing from stores won’t necessarily affect the payroll of the corporation. It will only harm the stores and the employees inside. Because each and every store is operating on a budget of their own and what they sell determines said budget. So if groups of people decided to steal from that store, sapping up the budget and hurting sales, then it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there. Making shoplifters look both like an asshole and a dumbass in one.

Show threadbane_killgrindAug 29, 2023

it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there

So there are a lot of reasons to be against stealing, but this isn't one of them.

Wal-Mart and County-Wide Poverty https://aese.psu.edu/nercrd/economic-development/for-researchers/poverty-issues/big-boxes/wal-mart-and-poverty/article-wal-mart-and-county-wide-poverty

Corporate owned stores like this are the ones that people are talking about stealing from. The facts are, the wages that are paid by Walmart can't possibly be less. Walmart enjoys https://businessmodelanalyst.com/is-walmart-profitable/ being the most highly profitable in the list mentioned.

If Walmart paid less, they couldn't maintain their staffing levels. The workers would be even more highly impoverished, if they choose to stay.

Show threadinfyrinAug 30, 2023
Stealing is still not the answer.
Show threadbane_killgrindAug 30, 2023

Does that matter? In the context of sustained abuse of workers? Every dollar that is used for employees' food stamps and other benefits is a dollar taken from tax payers.

The difference between a shoplifter and Wal-Mart is a matter of degrees, not morality.

Show threadinfyrinAug 30, 2023
Yes it does matter. Thieves affect that too. Man, this is what I’m talking about, these idiots going out of their way falling over on eachother to defend shoplifting. Your arguments suck.
Show threadbane_killgrind

You are making moral conclusions, and making factual statements that are untrue or exaggerated.

How much do you think this affects prices? The higher operating costs and losses are absorbed across all of the products on the shelves. Do you think that's noticable? Do you have any real idea of what the operating costs of a grocery store are?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/errolschweizer/2022/01/31/where-do-grocery-prices-come-from/

Prices being higher drives theft more than the other way around.

https://beta.cp24.com/news/2022/12/17/1_6199163.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/grocery-price-analysis-1.6774669

Show me some numbers. Until now it just seems like you made a snap judgement and have no real basis to your beliefs.

Where Do Grocery Prices Come From?

Grocery prices continue to rise. But what factors into retailer pricing decisions and what is left out? A look at the value chain through the lens of food prices.

Forbes
Aug 30, 2023 at 1:33pmWeb