fer0nSteve Jobs: The difference of stealing yourself vs being stolen from
DragonTypeWyvernSomething something Xerox
dillFound the commenter who is old enough to retire
I think every nerdy person knows about it though. Gates and Jobs have a pretty famous exchange over it.
Fucking wish I could retire
You can… maybe not for long, and not out of the streets, but technically anyone can “retire” at any moment…
If it’s not final, it’s not retiring. Pretty sure “comfortably” is implied as well.
He meant “photostat” though.
Retirement? In this economy?
Y’all need to watch pirates of Silicon Valley
synae[he/him]It’s like the Halloween 3 of the Pirates franchise: pretty good but quite a departure for the series. Notably, neither Captain Sparrow nor Captain Stagnetti make an appearance at all - amongst many other differences.
Amazing review, and shockingly accurate. Well done.
Eli5 about it? Please?
I think this captures the highlights of the issue.
I half expected you to just say “Google it”
Thanks man I appreciate it
Haha, I like this part:
As Walter Isaacson reported in his Steve Jobs biography, Gates responded: “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
If you’re not in the know, google “a neighbor named xerox gates jobs”
Dig an inch and you realize woz has more tech talent in his left pinky than jobs ever did.
Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.
It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.
The first iPhone was released in 2007. Android development started in 2003, with the first pitches to phone manufacturers in 2005. So yeah, Android wasn’t merely a copy of iPhone.
The timeline is technically correct but misleading, and please google what Android looked like prior to the iPhone announcement. While you’re there, might also want to check out the technical differences like iPhone prioritizing things like animation and user interaction. Wouldn’t also hurt to check out the first, say, 1-4 Android devices compared to literally just the first iPhone and tell us which one our phones look like today. Also, do we think that Apple was just like “here’s a new OS we made over winter break?” They announced in '06. Android was developed probably at a similar time, bought by Google, and then had to pivot hard after iPhone announcement, and harder still after hardware actually got into customer hands.
themzThe replies throughout this entire post are incredible. You are exactly right, yet downvoted for it.
If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.
Android was close to being released, but it was going to be much more like a BlackBerry, with a keyboard focus. They delayed the release to retool it somewhat with more of a touch focus.
“somewhat” is doing a lot of work here. I mean, they didn’t re-write the kernel, but you can google example of the UI pre and post iPhone announcement.
In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)
Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.
KushanI’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.
He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one
Say what you want about Steve Jobs, he’s the guy who killed Steve Jobs
makingStuffForFunOh that’s so hilariously dark.
I think I’ve heard that as a Hitler joke. Say what you want about Hitler, at lease he killed Hitler.
That’s more fitting. It’s a miss on Steve Jobs though. For one he didn’t kill himself, cancer did. And for another he’s objectively not a bad person, he could just be a prick.
He had a very treatable cancer that was found in the early stages and was given an excellent prognosis, but in his infinite megalomaniac manner he decided he knew better than the doctors and opted to treat his cancer at home with with homeopathic remedies. His home made new age “cures” clearly didn’t work and by the time he finally decided to get proper treatment his cancer had metastasized and he was beyond help… sounds to me like he played a large hand in his own demise so the joke plays.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. It’s still something entirely different to bomb yourself to death vs. to not do enough to stop a disease. And even with all the haters in here, I don’t think any reasonable person would want Steve Jobs dead, it’s not like he murdered people.
He did nothing to stop the disease and actively rejected treatment and advice from medical professionals because he thought he knew better. So while this isn’t the same as actively killing oneself, he is still more than likely responsible for his own death due to his own actions (or inaction).
LinkOpensChest.wavBillionaires murder people by existing
Sure, if you say so. On a different note, I recently watched Paradise on Netflix, where you can basically live forever if you’re rich enough. In the background someone says on tv at one point “the climate crisis has been solved by the top 5 richest people”, which made me laugh quite a bit.
Tbf the top 5 richest people could do theoretically do a lot to solve the climate crisis, but it would mean ceasing to be the top 5 richest people, and I’m disillusioned of them ever doing so voluntarily
I found it funny because it’s probably true. And since they live forever in the movie they were motivated to fix the planet for themselves. Not sure if that came across, but that’s what I meant.
That is funny, actually
I have a bad habit of taking things way too seriously :P
The key to fixing the climate crisis, is to make top billionaires immortal…
Somehow, it gives me pause and makes me think which one’s worse.
He thought his fruitarian diet would help him against pancreatic cancer. He tried to fight P.C. with apples.
Underrated comment right here lol
Oranges, actually. Ironic
Oranges actually have a fairly low iron content.
Fairies would have been just as effective to treat pancreatic cancer.
Getting a treatable cancer and then choosing to do nothing about it other than eat fruit and refuse proper medical care is tantamount to killing yourself IMO.
Cancer did. And just because he could be a prick doesn’t mean he deserved to die so soon.
He helped.
He went down the homeopathic route cause science bad
Iono, the kind of prick he was (narcissist who traumatized his own daughter and headed a company which needed suicide nets for the workers who made their product), paired with the fact that he signed his own death from his own deliberate delusions makes me conclude he did deserve to die, in more than one sense of the word ‘deserve’.
Never said he deserved to die. Interesting what words you’re choosing to put in my mouth.
He had a very treatable cancer and chose to eat oranges about it instead. He killed himself with his own hubris.
Flying SquidHe also washed his feet in toilets. I’m not joking.
I mean that is pretty weird but it does actually make sense.
They were public toilets.
From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.
I had a former boss who idolized him. Which was... concerning as his employee.
Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.
People liked Bill Gates so … IDK.
what is personally wrong with gates?