MrHandAug 27, 2023

Why is the government targeting incels?

https://lemmy.world/post/3921612

Why is the government targeting incels? - Lemmy.world

You may have heard of the “Countering Violent Extremism” program under DHS. They’ve deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn’t know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn’t know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring. I share a lot of my experience here. https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel [https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel] My question is, is it far that the government is so targeting incels?

Show threadintensely_humanAug 27, 2023
It’s not fair for the government to target anyone who hasn’t broken the law.
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I think it’s a little fair to monitor groups that border on the edge of committing crimes to make sure they don’t. If someone is going around saying they’re going to kill people, even if they haven’t, I’d keep a fucking eye on them.

Considering how much rhetoric incels and well known terrorist groups share, it doesn’t seem unreasonable why they are included on terrorist watch lists.

Aug 27, 2023 at 2:39amWeb
Show threadOwenEverbindeAug 27, 2023

Yeah, the FBI has caught bombers by monitoring them before the bombers were able to break the law.

Secretely surveiled them right up until they dropped the duffel bag on the sidewalk.

My memory isn’t great right now, but I think I recall reading somewhere that they catch over a hundred would-be bombers a year.

Show threadMrHandAug 27, 2023
It goes beyond secret surveillance though – creepy enough as that is. If one were unaware of being surveilled that’s one thing but they let you know so they can take credit for “prevention” even if that person wasn’t going to do anything wrong. So essentially put in an open air prison without trial.
Show threadOwenEverbindeAug 27, 2023

Ah… So that’s what you’re saying.

Well I can believe it. The CIA once tried to murder Fidel Castro with, like, shaving cream or something one time. Our agencies can go back and forth from being daunting, all-knowing panopticons into being “Keystone Cops” a dozen times in a weekend.

If that’s the case, and they’re targeting someone who didn’t even get in that deep, then: ouch. My condolences. I hope you if you really aren’t a threat that they figure out they aren’t needed anymore.

Show threadMrHandAug 27, 2023
Yes but they defined a certain perspective as irredeemably linked to violence, even if that perspective is sociologically true. It’s straight up repression. I’m not the one who mandated that the sexual revolution devolve into polygynous mating habits rendering many men partnerless.
Show threadMrHandAug 27, 2023
Under the 1st amendment I can say “school shootings are good and I endorse them” and I shouldn’t be subject to getting put in an open air prison.
Show threadGONADS125Aug 27, 2023

Let’s not forget the mass killings perpetrated by and celebrated by incels. They are an extremist group and should be monitored as such.

theguardian.com/…/toronto-van-murders-court-victi…

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189

abcnews.go.com/US/…/story?id=91388041

nbcnews.com/…/california-man-promoting-incel-ideo…

cbsnews.com/…/incel-threat-secret-service-report/

‘Incel’ who killed 11 in Toronto van murders sentenced to life in prison

Witnesses at Monday hearing describe devastation from 2018 attack in which Alek Minassian ploughed rented van into busy sidewalk

The Guardian
Show threadMrHandAug 27, 2023
The Ohio case was one were feds encouraged that guy up until the point were he was going to do something. I The California didn’t actually do anything. There has been one verifiable incel related mass shooting – Elliot Rodger, and that has been used to tarnish the whole community from a place of distaste. Feminists get to tarnish an emergent group that gives them jeebies and feds get work to replace the dwindling War on Terror.
Show threadMrHandAug 27, 2023
I haven’t said I was going to kill people.
Show threadMrHandAug 27, 2023
what does monitoring entail? it’s one thing if the person is unaware of it but they also let the person know. that’s putting them in prison without trial. also that incels = violent is charged up rhetoric meant to invalidate their perspective.