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Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff

https://lemmy.world/post/3664097

Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff - Lemmy.world

I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general. Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything. 2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351 [https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/august-22-2023-kb5029351-os-build-22621-2215-preview-9af25662-083a-43f5-b3a7-975fe25cc692])

jecht360 Aug 23, 2023

If it’s your own machine, I recommend running one of the Windows 11 debloaters.

I’ve moved all of my personal machines over to Linux (specifically Ubuntu). Windows just isn’t worth it anymore.

GitHub - LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools: Re-imagining Windows like a minimal OS install, already debloated with minimal impact for most functionality.

Re-imagining Windows like a minimal OS install, already debloated with minimal impact for most functionality. - LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools

GitHub

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

That’s a good recommendation, I actually did run a windows debloater/spyware before. This just happened to be snuck in with an update I guess? I should probably do it again at this point.

I wouldn’t use Windows if I didn’t have too…I do run Tails and Ubuntu as well but unfortunately 40hrs+ a week on Windows…it sucks.

deweydecibel Aug 23, 2023

You have to run it again after every major update.

7Sea_Sailor Aug 23, 2023

Question: if you already don’t like Windows, I assume you don’t care about the new features that come with new updates. So I wonder - why do you update at all? Set everything up as you want it, remove all the hot garbage as you see fit, and disable updates.

amio Aug 23, 2023

Skipping software updates is not a good idea, let alone OS updates. Inbetween all the terribly annoying bullshit they insist on foisting off on people, they do provide security patches and so on.

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

Primarily for drivers and security updates.

You have a point, I could turn off updates and manually update as I need too but my frustration is that there are ads in the first place.

7Sea_Sailor Aug 23, 2023

my frustration is that there are ads in the first place

Fair enough, a very good point.

Personally I’ve been using customized / debloated versions of windows for a couple years now and have not looked back. Every time I spin up a stock Windows VM I’m shocked how atrocious the experience is. Though I understand that a Windows ISO modified by an unknown third party can be scary to some.

KrisND Aug 24, 2023

I think I would trust an unknown 3rd parties ISO more then the stock Windows at this point really…

7Sea_Sailor Aug 24, 2023

There’s been a pretty recent development in the Windows Customization community which released a new toolkit, essentially allowing you to write YAML-based scripts with custom instructions how to modify a live windows installation, which makes the process completely open-source and transparent. I can link some of the projects pages if youre interested to learn more.

Khanzarate Aug 23, 2023

Run the debloater every update. Some stuff in there is actual settings, but other stuff will be “repaired” by windows.

Also, a workaround to that screen (so far, at least) is to shut the computer down and start up again and it doesn’t return till next update.

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

Okay, nice! Good information!

monsieur_jean Aug 23, 2023

How do you like the Snap store and snap packages being pushed on you silently when you try to install packages through APT? :)

GigglyBobble Aug 23, 2023

Give them a break. They just moved from Windows - moving to another distro is a small step in comparison.

jecht360 Aug 23, 2023

Not new to Linux, it’s literally what I’ve been dealing with for work for the last decade. I just meant that I moved the last of my personal machines away from Windows.

jecht360 Aug 23, 2023

I have run into zero issues installing packages from other places. The snap store is a bit annoying but not a big deal. I’ve been on and off using Ubuntu since ~2005 so that’s why I went with it over another distro. No room for elitism for certain distros - everyone has different reasons for picking what they use. We can all agree to hate on Windows though.

CharAhNalaar Aug 25, 2023

You want a broken Windows install? This is how you get a broken Windows install.

jecht360 Aug 25, 2023

Speaking from experience here. I’ve done this on over a dozen different computers with zero issues over a three month span. It was part of a proposal for transitioning our company computers to Windows 11 while cutting out the junk. None of them had any problems running without Xbox services, Cortana, bloatware games, activity tracking, etc.

We ended up using Microsoft Intune for restricting Windows 10/11 to our standards. But that’s not really available for consumers and debloaters are safe to use instead.

d3Xt3r Aug 23, 2023

That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.

metaStatic Aug 23, 2023

I switched to Pop!_OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM

(because you've only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it's always the same)

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

Yeah, I think I am going to setup a VM. I only need it for work due to Windows apps that would work just fine in a VM.

I am actually considering Qubes OS, which might take some work but overall would probably be a good seamless process.

How do you like Pop!_OS? I was looking at System76 computers one day and looked into it a couple years ago. Never gave it a try though, based off Ubuntu right?

metaStatic Aug 23, 2023

Ubuntu/Debian base yeah.

It just worked out of the box for me and runs everything that kept me locked to windows so I've stuck with it.

I've run Handbrake in a VM because the linux version doesn't allow setting the default folder for some reason but otherwise haven't needed Windows in months. and as long as I don't need to do anymore bulk trascoding I've probably seen the last of it.

Gunpachi Aug 23, 2023

If you don’t play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windkws VM is a good option.

Rai Aug 24, 2023

We’re getting there! There’s still games that run much better on Windows, and some games still don’t have Linux support. But the numbers are shrinking like crazy (THANK YOU STEAMDECK, Steam is the best company for game health as a whole.)

Also with VR… well, I don’t actually know. I haven’t tried, but will my index be fully functional (and run as well) on Linux?

Moc Aug 23, 2023

The new Debian is fucking awesome.

sep Aug 23, 2023

Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it’s contemporaries.

Moc Aug 23, 2023

I agree, although I used to use it for a dev server. It’s a great piece of kit!

oldGregg Aug 24, 2023

Random question but you’d probably know. If I had Debian 11 when debiann12 came out will it update or do you need to reinstall? How has this worked in the past and how do you think the jump from 12 to 13 will work?

I’m used to rolling releases but I recently put Debian on my laptop

sep Aug 24, 2023

I have never needed to reinstall Debian. if sources.list say stable, you’d upgrade automatically. but normally the sources specify the release name “bullseye” and you would change that to bookworm when you want to upgrade.

I installed Debian potato right after 2000 sometime. Because i was so annoyed by running into rpm hell with early redhat releases whatever and having to reinstall all the time. and I apt upgraded to Debian woody, and following the release notes, everything worked. At the time that was wild to see. Have been running Debian on all the servers i touch at work since. The Release notes contain information about what is changed from a regular installation. So you can follow the new defaults if you so want.
I DD’d the installation to a larger harddrive, before upgrading to sarge. and by then it had become a bit of a sport, while not being necessary in any way I have kept on upgrading, and moving my daily driver over to new machines for fun.

If you want a rolling release, you can run Debian testing, if you want stability you can depend on, run Debian stable. testing will stick a bit before release, and then have a period of rapid changes after release, but for a not critical desktop, it is generally very nice.

if you want to keep your system healthy tru the decades make sure you read the issues to be aware of in chapter 5 of the release notes for each new release : www.debian.org/releases/stable/…/release-notes/ they contain vital changes you may want to do to keep your system more similar to a freshly installed one.

Release Notes for Debian 12 (bookworm), 64-bit PC

tev Aug 24, 2023

what’s cool about it?

Moc Aug 24, 2023

Debian is the most stable operating system ever, and it’s new version 12, is a really good OS.

What I liked was that it starts quick, never crashes, uses minimal system resources, and with GNOME has an excellent UI.

Also love operating systems that use Bash or similar. I know how to drive them, I don’t know how to drive MSDOS.

I have a very powerful computer but the start time difference between Windows 11 and Debian is insane. Debian starts almost instantly.

I was specifically trying Debian as a gaming platform, so I installed Steam and GOG and a couple of Windows games running through proton. They worked really well.

In the end I had to go back to Window, because it’s just not there for me yet. Most games worked well, but a few have unacceptably low performance. It requires a bit of fiddling to get everything working right as well, because some of the defaults prevent people from just gaming.

tev Aug 25, 2023

i tried mint a couple years back and had a similar experience as far as gaming went, yeah

q47tx Aug 28, 2023

You should keep Debian as your Master OS and make a Windows QEMU KVM with near native performance. That way, you can play those specific games without giving up on Linux.

BURN Aug 28, 2023

Games are still likely to ban for QEMU KVMs. It’s not as clearly defined as a general VM, but they are still gainer ToS for most of those games and you can be banned for it.

I still run windows cause I’m not risking my accounts worth thousands on the promise that they won’t ban one type of VM.

Napain Aug 23, 2023

ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind

Mio Aug 23, 2023

It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.

famousringo Aug 23, 2023

Windows is nagware now. Microsoft dared to imagine an entire OS on the Winrar model.

Zozano Aug 23, 2023

Its actually worse than that. I PAID for Windows. If I paid for WinRAR they would stop.

M0oP0o Aug 23, 2023

Well WinRAR only nags you when you use it, unlike windows that is always running and almost always nagging.

oce 🐆Aug 23, 2023

If you stop using Windows, it also stops nagging you.

M0oP0o Aug 23, 2023

I have but for this PC, and only due to game pass not working nice on Linux (I like to play games with old friends far away)

oce 🐆Aug 23, 2023

I understand. If you don’t already know it, you can look up here if your games would work on Linux: www.protondb.com

M0oP0o Aug 23, 2023

I game on Linux but my friends on xboxs, proton does not come into it sadly.

lemmylommy Aug 23, 2023

I wish they went with the winrar model. Winrar just nags you once when starting. Windows keeps trying to trick you into giving them your data and signing up for a subscription.

Erk Aug 23, 2023

Don’t you compare windows to that time honoured and helpful software. WinRAR knows when to quit, and is free

makingStuffForFun Aug 23, 2023

Remind me in 3 days. That shit should be against the law. There should be a don’t big me ever again option.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein Aug 23, 2023

“Why are you upset? We gave you a choice.”

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

Afterall, “Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices.”.

MonkderZweite Aug 23, 2023

across all your devices.".

Rolando Aug 23, 2023

It’s a dark pattern microaggression.

HootinNHollerin Aug 23, 2023

PC Principal?

Granixo Aug 23, 2023

They are desperate because 2/3 of their userbase still use Windows 10.

Look, i don’t mind the CPU/TPM requirement too much now, but did you really needed to mess up the interface? (Plus, forcing you to have Teams always installed.)

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

Several things always installed, it’s annoying really lol

M0oP0o Aug 23, 2023

I never understood why anyone would pay for office 365 or use something like hello. Like Libreoffice is free and does the same job with less bullshit. And last time I checked windows is not running on any ones phones so why push the leftover failed features?

Jo Miran Aug 23, 2023

To this day there are things that you can only do in Excel for Windows. Not Mac, not web, only Windows excel. If you are a spreadsheet power user, you are stuck with both Office and Windows. If you work in the corporate world, you are stuck with Office and most likely Windows.

M0oP0o Aug 23, 2023

Really? I have never ran into anything like that. I worked in the corporate world for 10 years and used open office then libreoffice. My company had office but I hated it.

HellAwaits Aug 23, 2023

Excel is far, far ahead of the competition. I wish it wasn’t that way, but it just is.

M0oP0o Aug 23, 2023

Guess I would not know, myself and my businesses have not used Excel in years. Out of curiosity whats missing from the free Excel rip offs? Hotkeys, formulas, or what?

KrisND Aug 23, 2023

I’m curious about this as well. I have used Libreoffice for years without an issue. My understanding as always been that Microsoft Office products just have more advertising and so many people got/get trained in it that it’s just easier then to learn it differently to use LibreOffice software.

I was not aware there was anything missing, other then maybe the cloud. I do know smaller businesses and even some schools who have swapped to LibreOffice but usually overseas, outside the US.

LogarithmicCamel Aug 23, 2023

If your competition is other spreadsheet programs, then yes. If your competition is Python or R, absolutely not.