RemontoireJohn Deere brags about sabotaging competitors & customers on hot mic - they're PROUD of it!
theodewerethis is what you get when you gut regulatory powers in your government, you morons who vote Republican.. pull your heads out of your lazy, fat asses..
sadrealityNice try on inserting political circle jerk comment into a on partisan issue.
"Way to politicise this political issue!" - Morons everywhere
what do you fail to understand about what i said.. or are you just a fucking troll..
Governor Hochul sabotages NY right to repair bill, right on schedule
Thats Another video from Louis
Get educated instead of shilling your brain dead politics, boy
Governor Hochul sabotages NY right to repair bill, right on schedule
so you don't understand the direct causal relationship between Republican politics, and deregulation.. that's what you're telling everyone here.. that your head is too buried to see that..
you need to understand that when you speak, it mostly just sounds like farts, son.. you need to try to speak more clearly..
Keep on doing the circle jerk clown
maybe reality is sad because when you open your eyes, all you see is the inside of your own colon
Why is u this hurt?
you'll be alright, i can see you're learning in spite of yourself
ChozoThis is inherently a political issue, because partisan policies enable this sort of abusive behavior from John Deere in the first place.
If you can't see that, then you don't understand the full breadth of the situation being discussed, and probably should avoid commenting on it. There's no point in popping into a conversation to say "I don't understand anything that's going on, but here's what I think about it anyway", because nobody cares for uneducated opinions. Unless you're just fishing for an internet argument, in which case I recommend maybe just sticking to a Roblox forum or something else that's more to your speed.
Which side is fixing it for you?
Is he airbrushing his thumbnails?
Being able to repair products you own gives you a natural warm glow
I’m sure those competitors will successfully sue them for <1% of their yearly profit in damages, plus they’ll suffer a single employee’s salary amount in fines.
Sounds like another industry in dire need of competition. Makes sense that they’re fighting tooth and nail to keep a deathgrip on what they’ve still got (for now).
There is competition - New Holland, Massey Ferguson, Case IH, etc… The problem is that despite all the anti-consumer nonsense John Deere still tops the lists as the best option.
I’ll move my goalposts a bit then. The industry needs more significant competition for that top spot. It’s not an area I know much about though, just what I’ve picked up from discussions like this about how they respond when people get the crazy idea that they own the equipment they paid for.
Deere has the most massive dealer network in the U.S./Canada. So when looking for a part farmers have an easier time finding them. In other places of the world the competition is much more fierce and they don’t compete as well.
As for quality of equipment, Deere makes stuff about average. It’s not terrible but it’s not great.
Other companies have specialized in some things and make vastly better equipment.
New Holland/Massey F has the best swathers and bailers.
Kubota has the best small tractors.
CLAAS has the best choppers and combines.
ikiddI wouldn’t trade our 569 for anything else. We’ve had Case and Heston balers, they’re kinda meh and break way more often than if seen on our Deere’s. As for the rest, well parts availability is king.
I have no doubt that this is caused at least partly by the decline of keeping spare parts on the shelf in a warehouse, something most companies did before everyone shifted to ‘just in time’ inventory management because it saved money up front. But as it turns out ‘just in time’ doesnt work so great when a farmer needs a part right this moment since it relies on ordering then shipping only whats needed.
It probably made Deere’s dealer network look pretty good by comparison since they (presumably) stock parts that another farm store down the road doesnt carry.
There’s also legislation ( at least in Canada) that requires a manufacturer to have parts for machines less than a decade old to be readily available. A “machine down” order is 3 days or they can explain to the ag minister why they can’t comply.
mojofrododojoquery because I am not a farmer: Is Deere tops because they make products that are superior / better bang-for-buck, or is it just hometown advantage of no shipping/delivery overhead, tarrifs/taxes/import fees etc?
Honestly I don’t know. All three I listed are American or have American production facilities (New Holland was founded in PA, and still has a facility there, but is owned by an Italian company).
There’s plenty of competition; the problem isn’t the proprietary firmware, it’s the expensive parts. You can still fix 99% of a machine yourself, you might have to get a tech out to put a CANbus ID into the computer so a new part that you put on works.
But it still comes down to the fact that the competition don’t make as good/productive of a machine, and parts availability, even if they are expensive, is key. I’ve paid $1000 for a part I could make myself on a mill, but it would take me a day and I’d lose $100,000 of lost production on that machine because rain is coming.
That’s fair, there’s definitely more to it than just having the capability when you’re also dealing with weather and other factors that impact your deadlines. I’m not a fan of equipment manufacturers who exploit their stranglehold on their customers even though I see why it happens.
I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that right-to-repair replaces repair options from the OEM, but it’s a critical option to have in a functional product support ecosystem and Deer’s trying to cut it out entirely.
Very interesting to hear a user’s perspective.
This is probably the first time I’ve made a comment like this on a thread about Deere that hasn’t been downvoted into the basement. People don’t want to hear about what the ground truth of this situation is, they want to hate a company that they haven’t ever actually dealt with.
Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see Deere stop some of their practices, particularly using opensource software like Linux to power their devices and then selling them at steep prices to farmers that sometimes barely have enough money to fix a tire on one of these machines. But the “unrepairability” of Deere equipement is massively misunderstood by most of these armchair warriors, including Rossman.
On the plus side, the uproar has given us the ability to go buy a diagnostic computer from Deere now for the low, low prices of $26,000. It takes a lot of $100 tech visits to make that pay.
TimeSquirrelCorporations would have us all subscribe to the oxygen supply if they could.
coming to Amazon prime by 2032!
Spacebaaaaallllls! 🎶
ihavenopeopleskillsSomething on which we can all agree.
There’s a CEO in The Corporation (2003 documentary) who literally argues that everything should be monetized. Including air…
A canadian startup is already selling canned air.
Folks in places like china are buying it up presumably due to the smog over there. This article says they already cleared 300k in sales and are expanding their product lines to offer ‘flavoured air’.
To be fair, there is a use for it. If your at high altitudes, it may be needed. Hopefully no one should need it to deal with pollution though.
In this particular case its intended literally as portrayed in the Spaceballs movie which is what makes this whole thing appalling.
But yeah, theres other use cases for bottled air.
Maybe companies that manufacture and sell oxygen tanks can get in on the game by driving out of town 20 miles and bottling that air out there and marketing it as ‘Great Outdoors’ bottled air
In areas with bad air, 20 miles is not “out of town.” But companies that bottle oxygen already have the equipment to purify the air even in the middle of that smog.
Meant as a tongue in cheek joke, but sure
ErasmusWow. Thought The Lorax was supposed to be a warning, not a guideline to go by.
Meanwhile, Valve: Here’s how you can rip apart our handheld computer, we don’t recommend it, but it’s yours so who gives a shit?
Damn right, I haven't bought a console since the PS1 but I bought a Steam Deck just because of its hackability. I have plans for it beyond just gaming. Robotics control and FPV streaming is one thing I have in mind.
Also Valve: we’ll make some proprietary components that have major failure points, and then not offer replacements for sale (and if we do, at exhorborant prices).
I’m talking about their VR headsets.
Don’t get me wrong, I love them as a company. But while they’re pushing new industries, hardware is an after thought.
proprietary components
ridiculously stupid take. There are no open standards and commodity components for new inventions to adopt because the damned tech is new.
absurd.
There are no open standards and commodity components for new inventions to adopt because the damned tech is new.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Virtual_Reality
There's been open source VR hardware/software since at least 2015. Development is slow, but still active.
Where did I say I was complaining that they use proprietary components? My complaint is about the availability of said components, which is made much worse by how badly they wear.
Also, here’s our distribution platform where you can buy your games but have no physical medium, so if the game gets pulled you could lose access to it even though you won’t get your money back.
Valve might be better, but they are far from perfect.
Dizzy Devil DuckyIf your favorite game gets pulled, so long as it’s not a requirement to be connected to the internet to use it, just pirate it. There is no better option if you purchased a game and it gets removed than to just flat out pirate it instead of buying a new copy, if you ask me. Just save your money in that case instead of going to another platform selling it.
Yes, but that misses the point. Mine was a criticism against the illusion of property Steam (and other platforms) create. I know i can pirate stuff, but still Valve has the power to delist or remove stuff from their platform at any time, without need to reimburse.
It ain’t digital property, it’s just long term online renting.
RubberElectronsYou’re not wrong. But… these tough moments are where I tend to lean on Voltaire’s, “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” to paraphrase
why is it good that valve can take away a video game you paid for?
i wanted a separate message because my other comment was not serious.
letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is obviously not good, but doesn’t apply here. Valve won. The good (easy digital distribution) beat the bad. Guess what, goalposts have fucking moved. Valve is now the establishment, providing a restrictive drm-filled customer-harming system. Now they could still be the new good, and perhaps push the video game sweatshops into less restrictive, less drm-filled, less anti-consumer modes of operation. Baby steps without completely upending the system would be, once again, not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. But, like the vast majority of establishment organizations that have ever existed, thats not whats happening. They were the good, and now they are its enemy, but far from perfect.
Didn’t see any insulting part of either of your messages, so… All good I guess?
Anyway, that saying doesn’t mean where things are should remain acceptable. You’re right that corporations (being made up of supposed humans) don’t like to improve our change once they’re making profit, we’ll collectively need to keep pushing for better. But that’s a given.
agreed in general
Ah yes the games that I have stored on my PC that mostly don’t have DRM and that I can play in offline mode even while running another game on a different PC. Yep those are the ones that I can lose access to?
tabularDo you have any games from Steam which you can play without Steam installed?
Steam has DRM free games
I’m wondering if they, or you, happen to know some examples.
