@VoxDei @ihavenopeopleskills

I would take issue with the idea that anyone (certainly any significant number of people, there may be edge cases) genuinely needs a gun immediately for legitimate purposes.

Once you put enough adjectives in front of something anything becomes a minority of the whole…

• genuine
• need
• immediate
  *legitimate
• purpose

I mean sure … lots of people have some combination of those 5 properties and not all 5 at once. The point? Someone with legitimate purpose, but it may not be immediate shouldnt have a gun because their need is “some unknown point in the future”?

Even more so if you exclude reasons that aren’t caused by the wide availability of firearms in the first place

That is a fallacy of statistical understanding, but lets not get off into that tangent….

I’m much less likely to feel I need one to protect myself if the likely threat doesn’t have one.

Not really, we have 3d printers that can make guns now, including fully automatic… One guy on youtube made a fully automatic gun in a few minutes by swleding together random parts from a bed frame.

Guns are trivial to obtain out of thin air, the idea that you think the other guy wont have a gun simply because you told him he couldnt doesnt track with the reality we are in, maybe 30 years ago, not now.

Moreover the 2a protects the right to bear arms, not to be able to obtain one instantly.

No it doesnt simply “protect the right to bear arms”.. it makes all infringement against ones ability to bear arms illegal. If you are denying me my right to bear arms in the hear and now, and dont even promise me the right in a few days, that is most certainly within the definition of an infringement.

And here I am with my S4 running lineage Os (android 11)

Phone is on it’s third battery but doing fine, and does everything I want it to.