Lyft and Uber say they will leave Minneapolis if the mayor signs a minimum wage bill for drivers

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Lyft and Uber say they will leave Minneapolis if the mayor signs a minimum wage bill for drivers - Lemmy.world

Lyft and Uber say they will leave Minneapolis if the mayor signs a minimum wage bill for drivers::Lyft and Uber threatened to stop doing business in Minneapolis after the city council adopted a new rule Thursday that would set a minimum wage for rideshare drivers.

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Lyft and Uber threatened to stop doing business in Minneapolis after the city council adopted a new rule Thursday that would set a minimum wage for rideshare drivers.

In recent years, states and cities have attempted to pass legislation regarding the growing “gig economy,” or freelance work through apps like Uber and Grubhub, but have generally met with fierce opposition.

Lyft, according to a statement sent to CNN Thursday, said the bill would be detrimental to drivers, who would ultimately earn less, “because prices could double and only the most wealthy could still afford a ride.”

“This ordinance stands to significantly impact our city in terms of worker protections, public safety, disability rights, and transportation mode shift goals,” he said.

In recent years, states have attempted to pass legislation regarding the growing “gig economy,” or freelance work through apps like Uber and Grubhub.

In June, New York City announced a new minimum pay-rate for app food delivery workers amid the rise in use of services like Uber Eats and DoorDash since the pandemic.

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Would hurt drivers and only the wealthy could drive… let me fix that too it will cut into all my profits and I won’t be able to overcharge common people as easily and simultaneously commit wage theft against the driver.
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.
They won’t, unfortunately.
Uber was notorious for moving into and operating in certain cities illegally.
*all cities
Not all, they were kicked out from Hungary - although that was less a victory of workers’ rights rather than that of the taxi driver union.
Every argument in this thread is basically taxi protectionism.
I mean, I see you personally talking about taxis a lot
I don’t like protectionism.
Kinda just sound like a conspiracy nut finding arguments where there are none with people who are just talking about the article
Taxi companies tend to be smaller, more locally owned businesses with actual employees instead of “contractors.” Why would we side with them?
A victory for a union is a victory for workers rights.
I noticed when I visited Vancouver, BC there were no uber’s or lyft’s available, however - uber eats was available. And most restaurants I walked past had uber eats signs in the windows saying they did delivery. And this was in like 2018
Yup. And now the founder is rich when he really should be in jail.
Oh no… Anyway…
Oh no! Businesses whose ‘innovation’ is doing end runs around labour law, leaving? How sad.
The “labor laws” you reference only exist to give taxi companies monopolies and provide worse experiences for everyone involved
Still better than the ‘gig economy’. If making worker’s lives more precarious makes your life better, fuck your life.

The gig economy is less precarious for the people that choose it because it fits their schedule. That’s why they choose it. Jobs aren’t exactly hard to get right now.

Also uber drivers don’t make less money than taxi drivers. On average, they make about the same.

Taxi: ziprecruiter.com/…/What-Is-the-Average-TAXI-CAB-D…

Uber: ziprecruiter.com/…/What-Is-the-Average-UBER-Taxi-…

That just compares salary, what about benefits?
Not to mention employee protection/rights laws that don’t always apply to contractors
And the wear and tear they are putting on personal vehicles instead of company vehicles.
“choose” as in they all had a choice between a dependable job with benefits and a gig is a bit of an leap. Sure it’s the case for some but most certainly not all.
I’d love to see your citation that most Uber drivers are somehow forced into it
Do taxi drivers typically have to own/maintain/insure their own cars? I’ve always thought those were all paid for by the taxi company.

No but they also don’t have to do any of the other shit drivers do, like get qualify for medallions etc.

Both jobs have their hidden costs.

Usually not but if you put a dent in it you get the terrible one in the worst areas for a while as punishment. Assuming of course they don’t just cancel your shift. That is why it was important to always note the scratches. I put a bumper scratch in once and was ordered to do the inspection line up. 2 hours of sitting there not making any money. If I leave I have no job the next day. Ended up quitting that week.
You mean exist to ensure the underpaid actually get the legal minimum wage and to stop exploitive rich people from exploiting poor people?

Uber drivers don’t make less money than taxi drivers. On average, they make about the same.

Taxi: ziprecruiter.com/…/What-Is-the-Average-TAXI-CAB-D…

Uber: ziprecruiter.com/…/What-Is-the-Average-UBER-Taxi-…

Then why would the company be against paying minimum wage?

Because it’s a custom minimum wage that only their companies have to pay, set arbitrarily to make shit like taxis more competitive.

Yellow Cab fucking admitted in NYC that they only pushed the “Uber drivers make lower wages” rhetoric because they couldn’t compete, when in fact Uber drivers make what taxi drivers make.

How the hell does a minimum wage make taxis more competitive? That doesn’t make any sense. If uber drivers already make more than the minimum wage then a minimum wage would have no effect on that.
You should read the article, because it’s only a set minimum for those two companies, not a general min wage.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I am in Portland and Uber & Lyft are so popular here that the cabs here mostly do medical transport for non-emergency situations. I use to be a dispatcher here for several years. All cabs did were go to various hospitals and doctor offices.
People here really, really do not like their beliefs challenged by reality
well now it feels like I didn’t really leave reddit.

Uhh, Uber drivers are definitely poor… It’s just that taxi drivers are also poor…

Plus, those figures are just averages. Did they take the median or the mean? Are the taxi drivers numbers more of a bell curve with everyone making similar amounts while the Uber drivers are either doing well or not doing well at all? My total guess based on no data whatsoever is yes but I’d be interested in seeing the data if you have it. MLMs use this same trick when they try to convince you their businesses are viable

It’s weird that you think someone making more than almost 40% of the country is “poor”

That is poor lmao
Tell me you have rich parents without telling me you have rich parents.
Tell me you expect people to pretend they’re not poor in order to validate exploitative practices of a massive corporation without telling me you’re a centrist.
One parent was disabled the other made the amount listed above, try again

Yup. Alot of poor people in this country… It’s been getting worse.

Too bad you don’t know how those averages were calculated. Would have been interesting

A) it’s fun how I can tell you’re from a wealthy family

B) all averages are calculated the same way. That’s what “average” means.

I’m sorry the education system has failed you so much. dummies.com/…/the-three-types-of-average-median-m…
The Three Types of Average – Median, Mode and Mean - dummies

We use three different types of average in maths: the mean, the mode and the median, each of which describes a different ‘normal’ value. The mean is what you ge

dummies
If I’d meant median or mode I would have used those words. Average is equivalent to mean.

Yes. The use of the mean as the average is why you can’t tell without looking at the data set if the average of $500 is 1000 people all making around $500 or 500 people making near nothing while the other 500 are making close to $1000 or 750 are making near nothing and 250 making close to $2000, etc…

In this case the mode gives you a more relevant data set. That’s probably not what they’re using though

People are so poor nowadays that saying somebody’s from a wealthy family has become an insult.
No it’s just calling out the “rich progressive savior” mindset, and it’s always been derogatory.
It’s sure neat how when centrists can no longer defend exploitative labor practices, they attack the person they’re talking to. Usually it’s with “You don’t understand how anything works” or “I assume you’re young and therefore wrong.” “I assume you have money and are therefore wrong” is a new one.
He’s wrong without his money, his money just informed me of why is he wrong in this particular way.
Uber & Lyft drivers assume all the financial risk and responsibility for their car payment, maintenance, insurance, cleaning, health and dental insurance, etc. You’ll find that once you factor in the externalities the tech companies push into their workers, they don’t necessarily make good money at all.
So do pizza delivery drivers and they make great money.

They really don’t. When I was a pizza guy about ten years ago, after fuel & maintenance I would make the equivalent of about $12 USD per hour averaged over a month of full time work.

And one big repair like your power steering pump can ruin the whole month. It’s a great way to “use up” the last of your car before you scrap it, but really not a sustainable job.

Weird because when I was a pizza guy, I made more than I did as a teacher