@atpfm Perhaps this was edited from the podcast, but your conversation about Apple & Disney reminded me of a book John recommended years ago, “Creativity, Inc" by Ed Catmull. Ed recalls that Steve Jobs stayed away from Pixar production meetings. Steve recognized he would have nothing to add, and mere his presence would intimidate others. As said on the podcast, Apple has probably learned this lesson. ;)

John's recommendation: https://hypercritical.co/2014/04/27/creativity-inc