MobileTechGuyAs an owner of children, I approve this message
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If you carry your baby onto the plane, be kind to your fellow passengers and put it in the bin.
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Ī±ā ĻĻāŃŃĻĻŃOkay, Iām gonna bite the bullet and say it. This is disheartening. Iām not one to clutch pearls, but come on. Would you say this about anyone else? Dogs? Cats? Anything at all? Do you understand how fucked up it is? I just donāt get it. It was the same in Reddit, and itās fucking same in here. Why do you hate children? You donāt wanna have them, thatās fine. Why would you say these things?
Maybe youāre joking. Even after assuming that you are, this is in poor taste and a fucked up thing to say.
Maybe youāre joking
Gee, you think?
Finish that line, buddy.
Iām not your buddy, pal.
Yeah, I agree with you on that one.
Iām not your pal, guy
Im not your guy, amigo
Sephtis-6U don't hate children but what i hate is that one child with shitty parents will ruin the entire flight for everyone else.
Do shitty parents and upset children exist? Absolutely.
Yet everyone seems to ignore that maybe, just maybe, that child is being āshittyā despite having good parents.
Maybe the kid has a medical issue causing pain and discomfort and thereās not a damn thing the parent can do except get on that flight to see a specialist.
Maybe sheās fleeing domestic violence and needs to get to family to safe.
Maybe the mother has postpartum depression and unfortunately cannot properly care for her child so sheās seeking help elsewhere.
Fuck maybe the kid has an undiagnosed brain tumour thatās going to kill them. I know people that happened to.
If you go around assuming everyone else who inconveniences you in the slightest is a shit person, you will be a shit person.
So get over yourself. You might have a slightly less comfortable flight while that poor parent might be going through the worst time in their life.
Of course these things do exist but most of the time(at least in my experience) the problems are shitty parents.
For example I had 2 kids crawling under my seat for the whole flight(takeoff and landing included) and the parents just watched something on the phone.
See, hereās the neat thing about things. You get to choose what you do and donāt care about. Empathy should not go so far as to cost. Your baby is not my problem and itās your responsibility to keep it that way. I have my own, I didnāt take them to public places till they were able to have some self control. Is that always possible? No, but itās really obvious if you are the type of person who doesnāt even try.
Part of using public transport is that you need to share it with the public, which is why I broadly detest it and cannot comprehend the fuck cars weirdos.
That said when I do use public transport I fully expect noisy children, insufferable karens and the occasional nut job.
Your concept of empathy seems to be severely lacking.
Part of using public transport is that you need to share it with the public, which is why I broadly detest it and cannot comprehend the fuck cars weirdos.
Couldnāt agree more. The anti car movement among young millennials and Gen Z is weird as hell to me. Iāve lived in a large city and taken well designed public transit for years. Compared to living in a small city and driving, itās awful - so I left. Thereās a literal loss of freedom and autonomy that comes with it, and I canāt fathom why the younger crowd wants to live in crowded apartments and post angry screeds to r/fuckcars.
If you live in NA, you havenāt lived in a walkable city designed for people over cars. You can find clearer explanations of the rationale from Strong Towns or NotJustBikes.
Iām reluctant to litigate something unpopular on the internet for the purpose of collecting downvotes, and I think thereās low probability weāll agree on the issue, but Iāll explain my rationale:
I lived in NYC. NYC is not exactly designed for walking or bikes, but thereās a strong case to be made that it has become a city in which cars are much less feasible than transit, walking, or biking. The sidewalks are all double-wide. If you order take-out, the delivery guy is on a bike. Nobody I knew owned a car, and none of us would have been able to afford the parking if we had. We walked to get groceries. The subways run 24/7/365. In terms of density, NYC should be a best-case scenario for public transit.
The fact remains that if you wanted to LEAVE the city and go somewhere green with the ability to get away from people, it was 3x as long by public transit than it would have been by car. Minimum. And those places are far away. Itās a place designed to keep you there. And thatās just my point: I donāt want to feel like a sardine in a city packed with people, I want to get out into nature where I can be the only person for miles around.
This is probably impossible in the Netherlands, which is 92% urban and has an average population density of 1/2 NYC across the entire country. By comparison, the US is 0.6% as densely populated as the Netherlands.
Amsterdam is the city I see cited most often as being the model for a /c/fuckcars-approved world, but my basic thesis is that living in a place with 13,670 people per square mile, greatly diminished personal space (densified housing), and greatly diminished personal autonomy (the ability to leave), is approximately my definition of urban hell.
I submit that the population density of the Northeast Megalopolis (containing NYC, DC, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore) is the stuff of dystopian hellscapes. And while thatās a matter of personal preference, I see a feverish, unrelenting push by the younger generations, who didnāt grow up with cars-as-personal-freedom like the Boomers/GenX/Xennials did. In the US, young Millennials, gen Z, and beyond have decided that ultradense cities are great and cars are evil. I understand how they got to that conclusion, but to me it just looks like Eco-Austerity derived from the lack of liberating personal-vehicular-experiences as a late teen and early adult.
Hell, I believe so much in personal vehicles and the autonomy they enable, I obtained a pilotās license ā something that is overwhelmingly difficult and expensive to do in Europe, but for the time being still remains something you can achieve as a middle-class American in some places.
Single-family homes is a topic for another time, but suffice it to say that it was the yardstick of middle-class wealth in postwar America. And now thanks to perpetually swelling city populations, the younger generations are idolizing what amounts to apartment living. Personally, I couldnāt get away from apartments fast enough once my income allowed it. I still donāt know whether Iāll ever own a house, but if I never share a wall with someone again, it will be too soon. Iām frustrated by this newfound need to do away with the tools of our personal independence, and at some level, I fundamentally canāt understand it.
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I expect
noisy children, insufferable karens and the occasional nut job
but that doesnāt mean I have much empathy for themā¦
Being loud in public imposes a cost on the people around you. In our society parents with babies are generally allowed to impose such a cost, but so are raving lunaticsā¦
Yet everyone seems to ignore that maybe, just maybe, that child is being āshittyā despite having good parents.
If youāre bringing an infant onto a plane, youāre a shitty parent.
Maybe sheās fleeing domestic violence and needs to get to family to safe.
You donāt need a plane for this
Maybe the kid has a medical issue causing pain and discomfort and thereās not a damn thing the parent can do except get on that flight to see a specialist.
You donāt need a plane for this
Maybe the mother has postpartum depression and unfortunately cannot properly care for her child so sheās seeking help elsewhere.
You donāt need a plane for this
I think you can figure out the pattern for the rest of your points.
Itās usually the air pressure causing the kid some pain from mild barotrauma / airplane ear. They canāt help it. No amount of good or bad parenting changes the pressure differential in the inner ear.
No i wouldnāt think this about dogs and cats etc. As those are not annoying 24/7. Of course there are dogs and cats that are but the majority is well behavedā¦ unlike Babies
Mossy Feathers (She/Her)You can train dogs and cats to be quiet and sit still. Not all of them will be happy doing it for a long plane ride, but you can do it. Babies on the other hand? Babies donāt give a fuck.
Hungry?
Scream.
Tired?
Scream.
Happy?
Scream.
Mad?
Scream
You can do everything right and the baby will still scream.
See, I have this speculation that early humans were fucking dumb, had no object permanence, couldnāt keep track of their kids, and generally pretended they didnāt exist unless they were being annoying. So their babies had to fucking scream as loud as a firetruck for their parents to not lose them.
Thatās the other thing too. The sound of a crying baby will drive anyone who doesnāt have antisocial personality disorder or has been driven deaf by the wonders of childcare completely insane. Why? Because while the sheer volume of a babyās scream might not be as loud as a barking dog on an objective decibel scale, but when it comes to perceptual decibel levels, babies are loud. Our hearing sensitivity varies based on pitch. The higher the pitch, the more sensitive our ears are. On top of that, our brains are hardwired to have a reaction to a screaming baby, which can manifest itself as irritation, annoyance, frustration, and other negative emotions, because our primitive monkey brains are screeching, āWHY WONāT YOU TAKE CARE OF BABY!?ā but we canāt do anything because itās not our baby.
Thatās why people like to make jokes about dead babies, infant abuse, etc. Because babies are annoying as hell and literally everything they do is designed to make sure we know theyāre there at all times.
Babies evolved to cry all the time because their parents had this habit of making the species that just looked at the baby in a weird way go extinct.
I love this theory that early (and current) humans were so incompetently stupid that we evolved to fucking scream all the time just so they donāt walk away and forget us.
Considering how many kids get left in locked cars in the summer, as well as no other species of animal has annoying ass babies I have to canonize this as the Truth.
Consider this as well: if youāre a primitive human and you have to take your baby somewhere, youāre going to be praying to whatever deity(s) you believe are watching over you that your baby understands the severity of the situation and doesnāt start screaming in the middle of the jungle. 'cause if it does, every predator in a 5 mile radius is going to hear your baby screaming and dinner bells will start going off in their heads. Our only major survival traits are our near-infinite stamina (if properly trained) and ability to magically fuse or deform useless objects into something useful. The usefulness of both of those traits diminish with the size of the group (a single human with a spear is far less likely to survive a tiger attack than two humans with spears) as well. To put it another way, your baby will actively alert predators that youāre burdened with its existence and that you could be free food so that if youāre stupid or unlucky enough to travel alone so that youāll get removed from the gene pool.
To be honest you can train your baby to be quiet, it just takes like 12 years
PolandIsAStateOfMindConsidering some babies i know, itās still failure after 50+ yearsā¦
SafeguardAs a patent of two boys, i feel that much of the annoyance of no-children having people is due to parents not putting boundaries for children in place.
Children scream because of attention. It means they are not getting it.
Start walking around with the kid to calm it down. Its your job as a parent. You cannot stay seated and act like āwhat are you gonna do? They are children ! They scream!ā
No. You are a bad parent for letting them just scream.
Would you say this about anyone else? Dogs? Cats? Anything at all?
What an odd comparison, given that pets are crated and put in (a warm/pressurized part of) the cargo bay. Is that better then hiding under a seat or the overhead bin? It seems about the same to me.
Maybe youāre joking. Even after assuming that you are, this is in poor taste and a fucked up thing to say.
Good. Making Anthony Jeselnik proud.