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superkret Aug 16, 2023

Wait what? Texas put up a border barrier without permission from the Federal government?

themeatbridge Aug 16, 2023

In the water, so anyone trying to swim across would drown.

Tb0n3

Don’t try to cross borders illegally. You get what you deserve.

Shalakushka Aug 16, 2023

I would rather have any number of undocumented immigrants here than people like you.

And some of them would gladly take your life if it meant they got it to be part of the cool kids club. (Gang initiations)

Shiggles Aug 16, 2023

We have plenty of those domestically already. People are people, and y’all qaeda down there isn’t exactly the shining example of civilization you think it is.

Unaware7013 Aug 16, 2023

And some of them would gladly take your life if it meant they got it to be part of the cool kids club. (Gang initiations)

I honestly don't know if you're referring to illegal immigrants or the police in America.

I'm more worried about the police killing me than an illegal immigrant, but that's because I live in the real world.

Where is MS13 from?

Unaware7013 Aug 16, 2023

Mexico, but where is the blue badge gang from?

One of them is a real threat to average Americans, and hint: it isn't ms13.

Lol no, El Salvador. It seems these days “migrants” are just passing through Mexico to get to the US. Why don’t they just stay in Mexico since they’re already there, speak the language, and share many values?

I’m not fan of the police, but the videos and stories you see are not all police. There’s certainly a systemic problem with police but that doesn’t mean they’re more dangerous than violent criminal gangs.

Malfeasant Aug 16, 2023

So it’s “not all police” but any illegal immigrant is automatically ms13? Hypocrite much?

I used it as a visible example. Never said they were all ms13.

LibertyLizard Aug 16, 2023

The US, actually. Started in US prisons.

It was a gang of immigrants who were less Americans and more El Salvadorans it seems since they brought it home.

Polar Aug 16, 2023

Big words coming from a guy who lives in a country where your own citizens are gunning down others every day multiple times per day.

Maybe try to fix your own country first instead of blaming others?

Yeah, gang crime. The vast vast majority of gun deaths in America, aside from suicides are known criminals who shouldn’t own guns in the first place.

Polar Aug 16, 2023

Then fix your gun laws

You seem to have missed the point. The gun laws already prohibit them from owning guns but they do it anyway and commit crimes. No additional gun laws will suddenly make criminals obey the law.

Teppic Aug 16, 2023

But somehow gun laws work in every other civilised country... Odd.
Well if you are sure it's not the gun laws then instead fix the other laws which are putting people in poverty and creating the gangs.

So your solution to people breaking the law is to create more laws that they won’t obey? The United States is fairly unique with their bill of rights. Codifying the right to bear arms, which in the view of the founders would allow the citizens to rise up against the government. This is well documented in their own writings. We currently have far too many restrictions on what citizens are allowed to own.

Shalakushka Aug 17, 2023

By this incredibly dumb logic, nothing should be illegal because criminals don't follow laws. How asinine can you get?

Tb0n3 Aug 17, 2023

More like making free speech illegal because somebody threatened somebody else.

Malfeasant Aug 16, 2023

Wait, when did we start talking about police?

Cethin Aug 17, 2023

Immigrants are, on average, less violent and more productive than the average American. I say we toss you out and trade up.

Tb0n3 Aug 17, 2023

Source on that? And make sure it’s Illegal immigrants not all immigrants.

Cethin Aug 17, 2023

Sure. Here’s a few: news.wisc.edu/undocumented-immigrants-far-less-li…

cato.org/…/immigration-crime-what-research-says (The Cato institute is a libertarian institute. Libertarian should mean socially liberal, including more friendly with immigrants and more towards open borders, but they’re usually conservative.)

I’m not going to spend all day finding you more. It’s easy to research. I doubt it matters how many sources I provide, but you can find whichever ones you like. There’s plenty of data on it.

Undocumented immigrants far less likely to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens

Crime rates among undocumented immigrants are just a fraction of those of their U.S.-born neighbors, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis of Texas arrest and conviction records.

Tb0n3 Aug 17, 2023

If you really think about it the crime rate of ILLEGAL aliens is 100%. Crossing the border illegally is a crime they have all committed.

Cethin Aug 17, 2023

Like I said, I doubt it matters what evidence I provide. You’ll find a way to justify your beliefs instead of adjusting them as you get new evidence. It’s the typical human response. We like to act like humans are rational, but the vast majority of people the majority of the time are driven by emotion. We’d rather ignore evidence if it forces us to reconsider our views.

Beliefs do not make a person. It will not hurt to change them. You’ll still be yourself. It doesn’t mean anything bad that you changed your beliefs, really it only means something good. It means they you can consider new information and adjust to it, instead of ignoring it which would be bad.

Shalakushka Aug 18, 2023

Have you ever jaywalked? Should you have been put to death for it?

Tb0n3 Aug 18, 2023

Jaywalking has a fine. Illegal immigration has deportation.

Shalakushka Aug 18, 2023

Right, it would be bad if they put fuckin buzzsaws in the non crosswalk parts of roads to deter jaywalking. It would be monstrous. You however, see that and go, "those jaywalkers get what they DESERVE" because there is something broken in you that you've filled up with contrarianism and petulant nationalism.

Tb0n3 Aug 18, 2023

They are not saws. It’s the same as barbed wire on a fence. It’s there to make it more difficult to climb through the thin patr between bouys.

MichaelScarn Aug 16, 2023

And so will you, one day, I’m sure

Trying to move somewhere for a better life for your family, your sentence is death.

Get a fucking grip.

There’s legal avenues for that.

Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that you thinking someone deserves death for an illegal border crossing shows how fucked your mindset is

They call that Fuck around and find out. Actions have consequences. They knew what they were doing was dangerous.

What a meaningless and cynical cliche

mrnotoriousman Aug 16, 2023

You sound like a meal team sixer

I just call them like I see them. Do not commit crimes and you don’t have to worry about the consequences of committing crimes. Pretty cut and dry.

Jaysyn Aug 16, 2023

Speaking of the law, it's only a civil violation, fash.

DancingYetiCrab Aug 16, 2023

The vast majority of illegal immigration is done by people overstaying visas. Take you’re racist uninformed and sickening list for injury and death and shove it up your ass

And that makes illegal border crossers not exist? Just because there’s another problem doesn’t mean there can’t be two problems at once.

Imagine swimming in a lake in your own country and then you get caught up in a net and die while still in your country due to Texas illegally setting up their own border wall that isn’t even in Texas anymore. Texas should should hire this guy to go to the lakes and whenever kids drown trying to just enjoy themselves he is there but always wait 5 minutes to make sure the Mexicans drowned since he obviously hates them and then unties them, bring them up to shore, and then yell this in their face. I think he would gladly take the job all the while moving back and fourth illegally from the Mexico and Texas border just to yell at dead Mexicans

Go ahead and tell me how many were just swimming in the Rio Grande when they just so happened to get caught in the border defense when they weren’t actually trying to cross the border. I can guarantee it’s zero.

First off you’re so dumb dude. How about instead of intentionally killing others in an absolutely beautiful river we just enjoy it? Ever thought that idk, maybe, some of them genuinely just wanted a swim?

The more important part is that since you are so ‘MERICA🦅⛪🙏’ then why are you okay with these deaths while they are completely illegal and dong follow the constitution? Referenced here kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/…/1662865

I mean i figure since youre okay with that ill just go ahead and completely ignore laws to do whatever the hell i want to do. When did the constitution just become another ‘woke’ book to you?

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When did I say anyone was intentionally killed. If anything it could be viewed as suicide. They’re bright fucking orange aren’t they?

You keep ignoring over half of my comments. Do you really think Texas of all places would put a buoy with a net but not create the net in such a way that it would tangle someone up? Are there any warnings about there being nets?

krgv.com/…/new-warning-signs-for-migrants-placed-…

It has been dangerous long before the barrier. The bouys are now an even more obvious obstruction visible from shore and should discourage people even further from risking their lives.

New warning signs for migrants placed along the Rio Grande

New metal warning signs warning migrants of the dangers of crossing the Rio Grande are going up along the river.

KRGV

Thanks for the link. Maybe I’m just dumb but if I saw buoys in that situation I would simply think “border line” instead of “danger”. Putting a net there only makes it that more dangerous if the river really is that bad… A buoy would have completely sufficed. I also didn’t see anything about a warning of a net under the buoy. It honestly just seems like a completely trap to me

SuiXi3D Aug 16, 2023

Ah yes, a person’s value as a human being is reduced to nothing the second they cross an imaginary line decided by folks that have long since died. Makes perfect sense.

I take it you disagree with the concept of countries?

noqturn Aug 16, 2023

“Hey man I’m not too stoked on ice cream”

“What do you have against brownies???”

That’s what you sound like.

They called borders imaginary. That kind of hints at their worldview.

possibly a cat Aug 16, 2023

Is the border in the room with us right now?

I_Has_A_Hat Aug 16, 2023

Depends on the room. Anyone here posting from the DMZ?

possibly a cat Aug 16, 2023

I see. And what does this DMZ look like? Does it have a color, a material, a texture?

IceMan Aug 16, 2023

I share your sentiment however despite the “looks” the actual line does not matter much. It’s about what you have to do to gain rights. Is traveling across some line and being desperate enough to grant this person rights? (Like right to work/live in some community/country)? Or are some additional hoops needed? If they’re needed why should anybody allow other people rights just for traveling across the line? Isn’t it unfair to these who spent years of work trying to go through proper procedure? Maybe it’s okay if somebody is desperate? But then what is the measure of “desperate” - it’s a pretty unclear term.

xuxebiko Aug 16, 2023

the voice of privilege.

Throwaway Aug 16, 2023

I agree that they’re criminals, shouldn’t be encouraged, and need to be deported, but death is a little much.

Honestly it came out a bit harsh but the point was that they’re doing very risky things knowing there are risks to their lives but they do it anyway. If a guy is dancing in a cliff and falls off you don’t blame the cliff.

Does the Texas government go around installing cliffs in places where they know people go dancing?