Nearly 80% of Texas' floating border barrier is technically in Mexico, survey finds
A joint U.S.-Mexico topographical survey found that 787 feet of the 995-feet-long buoy line set up by Texas are in Mexico. #us #mexico #borders #drowning #buoys
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-floating-border-barrier-technically-in-mexico-survey-finds/
From the article:
Nearly 80% of the controversial floating barrier Texas state officials assembled in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrant crossings is technically on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a federal government survey released on Tuesday.
The revelation was made public in a federal court filing by the Biden administration in its lawsuit against the barrier, which Texas set up in July as part of an initiative directed by Gov. Greg Abbott to repel migrants and repudiate President Biden's border policies.
The river barrier, assembled near the Texas border town of Eagle Pass, has come under national and international scrutiny, including from the Mexican government, which has strongly voiced its objections to the buoys. Advocates, Democratic lawmakers and a Texas state medic have also expressed concerns about the structures diverting migrants to deeper parts of the river where they are more likely to drown.
Earlier this month Mexican officials recovered two bodies from the Rio Grande, including one that was found floating along the barrier, but the circumstances of the deaths are still under investigation. Mexican officials condemned the barrier in announcing the discovery of the bodies. But Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said preliminary information indicated that the first person found dead had "drowned upstream from the marine barrier and floated into the buoys."
Abbott and other Texas officials have insisted the buoys are necessary to stop migrants from entering the U.S. illegally, and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico. (Article continues)
and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico. (Article continues)
That's the clincher. States are 100% not allowed to treat internationally or make policies regarding other countries.
You sure as hell do when you put 80% of it outside your borders, outside US borders no less
This kind of thing could spark a war in different circumstances - imagine the Mexican army goes to dismantle the buoys in their borders, and one of several possible groups from Texas confronts them and it leads to a skirmish
Mexico would be entirely within their rights - it’s on their property and it’s suspected to be leading to deaths
A natural land border augmented with a fence isn’t an international incident
In the sense that we are all international citizens and that any action by anyone near any border is an international “incident”, sure I guess.
But if you want to be honest and acknowledge that calling something an “international incident” is a pretty loaded term, then I would say absolutely not.
There’s a reason the government started calling unidentified flying objects “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena”.
Would that definitely be an occurrence between two countries? Yes.
Would that be an “international incident”. Maybe.
A friend of mine has land up in vermont that borders canada. Directly behind his property line is Canada. If I take a beer can and throw it into Canada, is that an “international incident”?
Is the collapsing fence that quite possibly goes into the Canadian border illegal? Is it an “international incident?”
There’s a news report about 80% of your trash winding up in Canada, is that not an international incident?
I’m just trying to understand your own words, and you’re getting worked up. What do you think the words “international incident” mean?
So if that’s not what you’re arguing for, where is the line when something becomes and international incident?
It seems to me like you aren’t sure but need to keep arguing because your heels are so dug in already.
I’m not trying to come up with a general legal definition of “international incident.” I am merely disagreeing with calling this specific thing an “international incident,” at least unless the person using the term explains why they chose that term, and why that term matters in this case. But for me, international incident has much more weight then a fence that was built in the neutral area between two sovereign but friendly open-border nations.
If you still want to go down the international incident branch, I’d consider the agricultural practices of US farmers in California drawing too much water for our downstream neighbors much more appropriate.
It’s an international incident because it requires international intervention to solve.
If you look up the definitions of “international” and “incident” it should be pretty straight-forward to understand why anyone would use that term to describe the situation at hand. But somehow you’ve decided it’s not that - but you can’t say why specifically, nor can you define what qualifies as an international incident.
But he owes you can explanation?
Ok 👍
You said it wasn’t a big deal because it wasn’t an international incident.
Honestly what the fuck are you trying to say?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nearly 80% of the controversial floating barrier Texas state officials assembled in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrant crossings is technically on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a federal government survey released on Tuesday.
The river barrier, assembled near the Texas border town of Eagle Pass, has come under national and international scrutiny, including from the Mexican government, which has strongly voiced its objections to the buoys.
But Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said preliminary information indicated that the first person found dead had “drowned upstream from the marine barrier and floated into the buoys.”
Abbott and other Texas officials have insisted the buoys are necessary to stop migrants from entering the U.S. illegally, and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico.
The survey could add a new legal dimension to the Biden administration lawsuit, which argues that Texas violated a longstanding law governing navigable U.S. waterways when it set up the buoys without federal permission.
Unlawful crossings along the southern border fell to the lowest level in two years in June, a drop the Biden administration attributed to a set of asylum restrictions and programs that allow migrants to enter the U.S. legally.
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Texas has much bigger problems they should be dealing with. Having a reliable grid should be a much bigger priority than the border, but Texas would rather kill people (at the border, or just in their own homes during a snowstorm) than fix their actual problems.
But hey, that's the republican MO.
You seriously think Texas has to deal with more immigration than the entirety of the rest of the U.S.?
Critical thinking really needs to be taught in school.
The Border Patrol and Customs (in the Department of Homeland Security) is actually responsible for securing borders. States do not get to decide how their borders are enforced.
We all have to deal with illegal immigration, most of which doesn't even happen on the southern border. We manage to do it without building death traps or tricking people into getting on busses and sending them to states we don't like.
I know Texas and Abbot think they're special but they're wrong.
I mean, states DO get to determine a hell of a lot about their borders.
Immigration mostly isn’t one, though.
And some of them would gladly take your life if it meant they got it to be part of the cool kids club. (Gang initiations)
I honestly don't know if you're referring to illegal immigrants or the police in America.
I'm more worried about the police killing me than an illegal immigrant, but that's because I live in the real world.
Mexico, but where is the blue badge gang from?
One of them is a real threat to average Americans, and hint: it isn't ms13.
Lol no, El Salvador. It seems these days “migrants” are just passing through Mexico to get to the US. Why don’t they just stay in Mexico since they’re already there, speak the language, and share many values?
I’m not fan of the police, but the videos and stories you see are not all police. There’s certainly a systemic problem with police but that doesn’t mean they’re more dangerous than violent criminal gangs.
Big words coming from a guy who lives in a country where your own citizens are gunning down others every day multiple times per day.
Maybe try to fix your own country first instead of blaming others?
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