MenachemAug 13, 2023

What's the deal with Hexbear?

https://midwest.social/post/2021316

What's the deal with Hexbear? - midwest.social

Has anyone else noticed how prevalent Hexbear posters have suddenly become? Maybe sometime last week I noticed nearly every political post had at least one long thread of Hexbear users that do nothing but repeat CCP talking points while waving anyway anything even remotely reliable as Western propaganda. That or getting all excited about trolled libs. The way they tell it, you’d think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people. Not to mention, their info on the Fediverse observer [https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list] is either straight up wrong or there’s some serious botting going on. According to that, the instance is less than a month old, yet somehow they already have one of the largest, most active userbases, along with far and away the most comments of any instance. Seems to me like Lemmygrad on steroids. Considering we defederated from them, seems like a no-brainer to block Hexbear as well. So glad this thread could become such a perfect microcosm of why we need to defederate.

Show threadaaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]Aug 13, 2023
Hexbear is actually one of the oldest Lemmy instances, been around for over three years. Due to technical issues around our high number of active users and having to rely on volunteer labour, we have only been able to federate within the last few weeks.
Show threadserinusAug 13, 2023

Seems like you’re missing a ton of nuance in manufacturing consent, and have turned from the frying pan into the fire in that sense.

Yes, Western media is biased towards corporations. This is most clearly seen in anything labeled “finance” or “money”, but is pervasive.

But the only time I can ever think of Western media doing anything on the scale of censoring the 1989 Tiananmin Square Massacre is the Iraq MWD debacle. And they’ve never done anything like the Great Firewall.

As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.

And even if you’re 100% on board with every word Marx has written, I don’t understand how that leads one to defend modern day Russia and China.

The West absolutely has problems. And it’s good at right to point those out and try to fix them. But to try to paint the East as the answer to stand against the West is dangerous and dumb.

Show threadsharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]

And they’ve never done anything like the Great Firewall.

The great firewall is for your own protection, just look at how you guys react to a small group of users with different opinions!

Aug 13, 2023 at 6:21pmWeb
Show threadawwwyissssAug 13, 2023
Are people stupid enough to believe this?
Show threadGrimble [he/him,they/them]Aug 13, 2023
Be more direct. Who are you even replying to?
Show threadawwwyissssAug 13, 2023
I’m not replying to anyone, I’m posting this for other people who come along and might be susceptible to Hexbear propaganda.
Show threadGrimble [he/him,they/them]Aug 13, 2023
Well thank god they have you to tell them… what exactly? What counter-movement do you stand for?
Show threadawwwyissssAug 13, 2023

It might shock you but you aren’t required to stand for an anti-establishment whatever and shove your opinions down other people’s throats.

Capitalism in it’s current form may be responsible for incredible suffering and truly horrific global environmental damage. That doesn’t mean the concept itself is 100% wrong, that Communism is compatible with human nature, or that it’s in humanities best interest to split of into a bunch of counter-movements.

Show threadZoift [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
You are ideologically incoherent.
Show threadawwwyissssAug 13, 2023
And you’re ignorant. Another great debate thanks Hexbear
Show threadZoift [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
🤝
Show threadTheLoneMinonAug 14, 2023
Ngl I’m skeptical of hexbear primarily for the “Dunkin on libs” shit, but of this thread they did seem to be the only ones having a good faith debate.
Show threadGrimble [he/him,they/them]Aug 13, 2023
So what i’m getting is, you’ll never do anything to make it better and just roll with the material conditions like a boxing dummy on a swivel. You lash out at our approach to the system bc you have none of your own.
Show threadunperson [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
They won’t just roll with it, awwwyissss thinks there’s an immutable “human nature” and that communism is not “compatible” with it. They think communism is anti-human, while do not judge the current system as anti-human, it’s easy to see they little they would do of any political impact will only serve to keep the current barbarity going.
Show threadBelieveRevolt [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
Time to check the ”human nature tho” box on my bingo card.
Show threadAntiOutsideAktion [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
Why do you speak so confidently about subjects you clearly have spent almost exactly zero time investigating?
Show threadRod_Blagojevic [none/use name]Aug 14, 2023

“…human nature…”

Someone on the internet that’s never even heard the phrase “historical materialism” is talking about human nature and you’re laughing?

Show threadRam_The_Manparts [he/him]Aug 14, 2023

Lmao, you did the meme.

You did the “muh human nature” meme.

Hilarious!

Show threadTheCaconym [any]Aug 13, 2023

The real answer is it is, before all, an economic tool

The alternative was having the Big US techs invade china economically, along with the mass propaganda from Western entities that would have followed

You don’t speak to actual Chinese citizens often, do you ? basically all young people there have VPNs, and nobody cares. Like, at all

Show threadawwwyissssAug 13, 2023
No, the truth is the CCP is a violently authoritarian government that needs to control what it’s citizens think in order to stay in power.
Show threadParsani [love/loves, comrade/them]Aug 13, 2023
No I’m pretty sure they do that by increasing their citizens quality of life. I know, it’s a bizarre concept.
Show threadaaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]Aug 13, 2023
No not really. Visit any third world country where there’s no such thing as a “great firewall” and you’ll find western services and corporations embedded in everything to do with technology. WhatsApp has basically replaced text messaging to the point where even banks use it, twitter is basically a PSA and tech support tool, and Facebook is everywhere. This is terrible for sovereignty. Meanwhile China has developed their own stuff such as WeChat and Weibo. So they’re not subject to relying on Zuckerberg for everything from texting to banking.
Show threadAOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]Aug 13, 2023
The US Is the most violent police state in the world
Show threadBlueMagaChud [any]Aug 13, 2023
lol, the great firewall is protecting you right now from getting bodied by millions of CPC members
Show threadbrain_in_a_box [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
Lol, you’re complaining about other people being propagandized while you say shit like this.
Show threadGarbageShoot [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
Do you think people don’t have VPNs?
Show threadRam_The_Manparts [he/him]Aug 14, 2023

CCP is a violently authoritarian government

The US state has spent the last three-quarter century sending their intelligence and military forces all over the world to violently snuff out any movement that went against it percieved interests.

China did not do that.

So why are you focusing on China?

Show threadGaveUp [she/her]Aug 13, 2023

That was clearly a joke

The Great Firewall was to protect their own citizens from being data mined from companies and propagandized by hostile state actors that want to put the Chinese in mines to extract resources for dirt cheap like they’ve done to many other nations in Africa, South America, and Asia

Show threadGarbageShoot [he/him]Aug 13, 2023
Notably also to make room in the domestic market for the domestic bourgeoisie to fill the roles Facebook, YT, etc. fill elsewhere, since those companies collaborate with the US.
Show threadAntiOutsideAktion [he/him]Aug 13, 2023