As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.

I think most of users on hexbear and lemmygrad are not from US, so internal US politics is not so important to them, foreign policy is and that’s where US made a lot of haters.

It is not even that surprising, every country that was in war with US involved is not liking it, no one likes other nation’s army on their teritory, whatever the reason.

Hexbear doesn’t “defend modern day Russia”. I’m sure there are some users who do purely from a position of believing a multipolar world is preferable to one dominated unilaterally by the US, but even in those users think Putin is a piece of shit.

There’s a difference between understanding NATO’s role in provoking the war in Ukraine, not calling Russians orcs or comparing Putin to Hitler and defending modern-day Russia.

And they’ve never done anything like the Great Firewall.

The great firewall is for your own protection, just look at how you guys react to a small group of users with different opinions!

As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.

USians are literally the most propagandized pop on the planet.

USians are the only dipshits who think their state will just do the right thing with zero pressure.

But the only time I can ever think of Western media doing anything on the scale of censoring the 1989 Tiananmin Square Massacre is the Iraq MWD debacle.

First of all, multiple western sources agree with us on Tiananmin Square

Second Iraq is fefinity not the only time. Vietnam is another huge example. Literally every post-WWII military conflict has involved the press lying about it to manufacture consent. Some of the things are things you probably haven’t realized you’re being lied to about it yet though, so if I use them as examples it won’t help. But still.

Manufacturing Consent wasn’t just about the media being on the side of the corporations, its also about them being on the side of Western imperlialist motivations. And they will lie to you about “enemy countries” over, and over, and over again.

As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.

You think this because you don’t see the misleading happening and believing the things the western sources tell you about the “bad countries”.

1989 Tiananmin Square Massacre

Reality is calling

As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.

How do you know that? Did the US government tell you?

But the only time I can ever think of Western media doing anything on the scale of censoring the 1989 Tiananmin Square Massacre is the Iraq MWD debacle.

then you should try to do some more thinking. maybe even some reading

But the only time I can ever think of Western media doing anything on the scale of censoring the 1989 Tiananmin Square Massacre is the Iraq MWD debacle.

As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.

Hundreds of thousands of people were murdered for no reason to accomplish nothing but to line the pockets of Raytheon shareholders. And you write it off as if it doesn’t even matter.

No one, neither the politicians nor the journalists who knowingly lied to you faced any repercussions. Not only that, but in many cases, it’s the same people in the same positions with no reason not to do it again.

Even if you ignore all the other times that the media has lied, how many people do you believe died at Tiananmen Square to think that the two are remotely comparable?

The US government doesn’t have to (but still does anyway) mislead its own citizens because it works hand in glove with the class it represents (not you) which does all the misleading via the private “free press” that it owns and operates for it’s own benefit.

For the life of me I will never understand why liberals think something bad is less bad when it is a private actor doing it instead of the government, but the private actors actually control more of your daily life than the government does because you live in a neoliberal hellscape.

You have no control over anything the government OR the corporate overlords do. Does it really matter which one is screwing you when they’re basically all the same people anyway?

With regard to China, please just try to ask yourself why the standard of living has been improving there for decades while it continues to decline in the US. It’s not fucking rocket science, but you can’t rely on western corporate media to explain it to you.

They tried to cover up or explain away how the US killed possibly up to 500 civilians in the my lai massacre

Between 347 and 504 civilians were killed by US soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and raped children who were as young as 12. ::: spoiler photo of some of the victims

Only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of murdering 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence but served three-and-a-half years under house arrest after US President Richard Nixon commuted his sentence. … On 4 April 1968, the information office of the 11th Brigade issued a press-release, Recent Operations in Pinkville, without reporting mass casualties among civilians. Subsequent criminal investigation found that, “Both individuals failed to report what they had seen, the reporter wrote a false and misleading account of the operation, and the photographer withheld and suppressed from proper authorities the photographic evidence of atrocities he had obtained.” … The first reporting of the Mỹ Lai massacre appeared in the American media after Fort Benning issued a press release related to the charges pressed against Lieutenant William Calley. This was issued on 5 September 1969.[163] Consequently, NBC aired on 10 September 1969 a segment in the Huntley-Brinkley Report which reported the killings of numerous civilians in South Vietnam. Following that, Ronald Ridenhour decided to disobey the Army’s order to withhold the information from the media. He approached reporter Ben Cole of the Phoenix Republic, who chose not to handle the scoop. Charles Black from the Columbus Enquirer uncovered the story on his own but also decided to put it on hold. Two major national news press outlets—The New York Times and The Washington Post—received some tips with partial information but did not act on them.[164] Ridenhour called Seymour Hersh on 22 October 1969. The freelance investigative journalist conducted an independent inquiry, and published to break the wall of silence that was surrounding the Mỹ Lai massacre. Hersh initially tried to sell the story to Life and Look magazines; both turned it down. Hersh went to the small, Washington-based Dispatch News Service, which sent it to fifty major American newspapers; thirty accepted it for publication.[165] New York Times reporter Henry Kamm investigated further and found several survivors of the Mỹ Lai massacre in South Vietnam. He estimated the number of civilians killed as 567.[166] Next, Ben Cole published an article about Ronald Ridenhour, a helicopter gunner and an Army whistleblower, who was among the first who started to uncover the truth about the Mỹ Lai massacre. And Haeberle contacted Joseph Eszterhas of The Plain Dealer, which then published Haeberle’s grisly images of the dead bodies of old men, women, and children on 20 November 1969.[44] Time Magazine’s article on 28 November 1969 and in Life magazine on 5 December 1969, both of which included Haeberle’s photos,[167] finally brought Mỹ Lai to the fore of the public debate about Vietnam War.[168] Richard L. Strout, the Christian Science Monitor political commentator, wrote: “American press self-censorship thwarted Mr. Ridenhour’s disclosures for a year. ‘No one wanted to go into it’, his agent said of telegrams sent to Life, Look, and Newsweek magazines outlining allegations…”[169] Afterward, interviews and stories connected to the Mỹ Lai massacre started to appear regularly in the American and international press.[170][49] Concluding an ABC television news broadcast, anchor man Frank Reynolds said to his audience that, as a consequence of the allegations, ‘‘our spirit as a people is scarred.’’ The massacre, he believed, offered ‘‘the most compelling argument yet advanced for America to end its involvement in Vietnam, not alone because of what the war is doing to the Vietnamese or to our reputation abroad, but because of what it is doing to us.’