I don’t know about China, but Biden is really throwing stones from glass houses here as the leader of a country which is teetering on the edge of civil war, had a full blown insurrection in the past few years, and not only has it failed to prosecute the leader and instigator, it has allowed him to run for election again and there is a possibility of him being elected.

And this is not mentioning that so many in the highest offices “on both sides” are so hilariously corrupt in a country with its national ethos being “the land of the free”.

I’m not happy about this by the way, I don’t think a world order built by China would be better than the shitty one we got from the US.

I don’t think a world order built by China would be better than the shitty one we got from the US

I do to be honest.

I’d rather be under the rule of a hegemony that is composed of many different cultures and in the process of healing than one who is still actively genociding their minorities.

If we pretend that what the USA does to its own people is acceptable, you still have to consider what it does to the rest of the world. I’m sorry, but in light of all the evidence, I see the US hegemony as evil. I also doubt the western media’s portrayal of the Uyghur “genocide” and I don’t agree that China is in the process of a Holocaust against its own people.

I’m lucky enough to have a job that puts me in contact with a lot of countries all over the global south of the world, and the general opinion from all of them is that China is a lot better prospect than old Western imperialism.

The Chinese propaganda made to counter the satellite images, testimony from victims, and video evidence consists of some YouTubers visiting the same handful of uncomfortably smiling Uyghur families under the careful eye of Chinese censors and fluff pieces that amount to “nuh-uh”.

China is trying to erase the culture of people within their borders, again, and there is a long tradition of this forced assimilation in China. They are not pluralistic, and don’t want to be, and their attitude towards non-chinese within their borders lead me to have very low expectations on how they will treat minorities outside.

If satellite photos and testimony is your standard of evidence please stay the fuck away from any position of authority, everywhere.

Is it just one grainy satellite footage? I was under the impression it was a series of images documenting the construction and expansion of detention centers located suspiciously near the population that has been complaining about being disappeared to detention centers. I also thought there are very clear ground-level pictures, showing thousands Uyghur in blue jumpsuits.

Is the testimony random? I thought it was testimony was mostly from Uyghurs from the affected area, with credible stories that line up with other witnesses and victims that were also questioned.

You will deny this is true because it is crucial for your reality that it is false. Nothing the US is currently doing is a fucked up as what China is doing in terms of racism and ethnic suppression.

Many grainy satellite photos vs 1 grainy satellite photo is really not much of a different.

I also thought there are very clear ground-level pictures, showing thousands Uyghur in blue jumpsuits.

No the photo you are referring to is of a prisoner movement between two prisons. You’re being showed photos and people are telling you they’re X when they’re actually Y.

Is the testimony random? I thought it was testimony was mostly from Uyghurs from the affected area, with credible stories that line up with other witnesses and victims that were also questioned.

There’s about 30, and almost always extremely sus circumstances surrounding them. Meanwhile we have literally thousands of videos of tourists readily available, right now, of people visiting the area and having conversations. Who do you believe here? People IN XINJIANG or people outside it?

Look. Let me give you some food for thought on this from another angle. Let’s look at another country where know REAL oppression is taking place, Israel, which has more money and a far smaller country mileage area to spend that money. Israel is an apartheid state actively murdering and oppressing the Palestinians with the intent of stealing their land and eliminating them. reddit.com/r/israelexposed is what this looks like.

The evidence against Israel is insurmountable. Mountains of it. Hundreds of thousands of actual video of actual shit. Real evidence.

In a country where literally everyone owns a smartphone it is impossible to prevent the creation of this evidence. Even with more resources and a smaller surface area to stop this shit from getting out - Israel can’t stop it getting out. But you’re trying to say that China can? With fewer resources and a much MUCH larger surface area? They can stop 100% of all evidence from coming out? Just some misrepresented photos that don’t actually depict what people claim they depict? Some critical thinking is needed here. Why is there so much evidence in Israel and absolutely zero evidence in China? Don’t just turn to the idea that they have an all-powerful state that can somehow be in all places at all times magically preventing even a single video from getting out, that idea is a fantasy and comes from the realm of the delusional. Really THINK about this. Be critical.

The reason the evidence does not exist is because what has been claimed is not accurate.

Now, does that mean that China didn’t implement a re-education program? No it doesn’t. Does that mean that this wasn’t quite a heavy handed measure aimed at stopping terrorism? No it doesn’t. It was a really serious undertaking that was certainly a heavy handed use of authority that probably had individual instances of dickwads in that authority acting as dickwads. But, what I am asking you to do is to see through this bullshit genocide crap. It’s nonsense. There is no evidence for it and it’s not what actually happened. They had a serious string of terrorism, and to stop it they implemented a very large re-education program that people had to attend Monday-Friday (they could go home on weekends). That’s what actually happened. No genocide. No mass sterilisation nonsense. No massive repression of religion (other than the extremist one that was committing the terrorism, imported from over the border in Afghanistan).