Bethany BlackAug 11, 2023
I can understand why some men got so angry at the Barbie movie, she undermines their whole worldview when she tells Ken “you are not the car that you drive, you are not the contents of your wallet” nope, that was Tyler Durden in Fight Club. No she says “you are not your girlfriend, you are not your house”. Both movies have the same message about toxic masculinity
Show threadBethany BlackAug 11, 2023
Most people who love that feminist classic Fight Club seem to have forgotten the second hour of the film, where all the lost men replace their life as a mindless automaton in a system designed to repress them, with life as a mindless automaton in a system designed to repress them by a charismatic leader, where the main character literally has to kill the toxic man that he has become.
Both Fight Club and Barbie make the point that patriarchy is terrible for men.
Show threadZeb LarsonAug 11, 2023

@BethanyBlack I saw that movie when I was 11 and what immediately stuck with me was that Edward Norton's character was perfectly happy and functional going to a support group to just cry. It's everything that comes after that that makes him go off the rails.

I don't think many of my compatriots took that message, however.

Show threadAmbigram ArtAug 11, 2023

@Zeb_Larson

He wasn't perfectly happy. Tyler was also at the support groups.

Show threadMadopalAug 11, 2023
@Ambigramart @Zeb_Larson No, Tyler only showed up when Norton could no longer cry. Then his insomnia came back & Tyler showed up.
Show threadAmbigram Art

@madopal @Zeb_Larson

I think the problem was Marla. Although Tyler Durden appears six times before he and Norton's character officially meet.

Aug 11, 2023 at 3:59pmWeb
Show threadMadopalAug 14, 2023
@Ambigramart @Zeb_Larson Correct. Marla's appearance correlates directly, it exposes Norton's hypocrisy in going to support groups he's faking about. But the original point is still valid:
When Norton could cry it out, he was fine.