David GerardAug 6, 2023

LessWrong: video games > IQ tests — LessWrong

https://awful.systems/post/27611

LessWrong: video games > IQ tests — LessWrong - awful.systems

> Video games also have potential legal advantages over IQ tests for companies. You could argue that “we only hire people good at video games to get people who fit our corporate culture of liking video games” but that argument doesn’t work as well for IQ tests.

Show threadmindAug 7, 2023

Veritasium, a popular science channel on YouTube, released a video just a few days ago explaining what IQ is and how it works:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkKPsLxgpuY

IQ is not properly measured from a random website. If someone announced they have a 200 IQ because of some scam site, that doesn’t mean actual IQ tests are invalid. The problem is with that website, and the gullible test-taker.

Every time I’ve heard someone say IQ tests are meaningless, 100% of the time they admit they’ve never heard of Spearman or the G factor, which would have been covered in a relevant Psychology course at university.

It’s not everything in life, but IQ is real, measurable, and has value in predicting how well someone will do with various challenges in the future.

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Show threadDavid Gerard
most of us here have heard of them, know the history of IQ in as much detail as you need to to counter race scientists, and understand perfectly well that it’s largely nonsense, but thanks anyway
Aug 7, 2023 at 3:38pmWeb
Show threadmindAug 7, 2023

Neither the LessWrong post, nor my comment, even touched on race.

understand perfectly well that it’s largely nonsense

There have been studies like the National Longitudinal Study of Youth that showed IQ could predict many different life outcomes.

Do you think that test was fraudulent? Why are you dismissing research that is widely accepted, and published by professional psychologists who have meticulously documented their data?

This entire debate reminds me of the climate change debate: One side that cites research, data, and knows the relevant concepts. Another side who doesn’t ever cite actual research, can’t elaborate on how they got to their conclusion, and dismisses the science without giving any reason.

Show threadselfAug 7, 2023

You can’t defend your position, so you call people racists when they never did anything of the sort.

drink! and so early in the day too

Show threadfroztbyteAug 7, 2023
should we start bets on whether it’s zee in a mind suit (on a different instance)?
Show threadselfAug 7, 2023
shit, I’m just enjoying the worst parts of Reddit not realize their debatebro race scientist bullshit (likely copied from a textfile too, given the response speed) won’t work here til it’s entirely too late
Show threadfroztbyteAug 7, 2023

it’s a bit amusing how literal-sealioning it is yeah

wonder how long they can stay Novel

Show threadfuture_syntheticAug 7, 2023
You want to speak to the manager? It’s me, I am the manager.
Show threadDavid GerardAug 7, 2023
our IQ minded friend has been escorted to the egress, so will doubtless continue responding but from servers we’re not reading from here
Show thread🆘Bill Cole 🇺🇦Aug 7, 2023

@mind @sneerclub Here’s the problem: that study DID NOT show that IQ could “predict” anything. It showed a CORRELATION but that’s a totally different thing. IQ is not determinative or causative of anything, because it is an entirely synthetic metric whose measurement is based on unproven and essentially unprovable theory.

The concept of “Innate General Intelligence” which IQ purports to quantify is the phlogiston of psychology.

Show threadBernie Luckily Does ItAug 11, 2023
@grumpybozo @mind @sneerclub Correlations by definition are predictive, my friend. You could argue that the predictive effect doesn't generalize to other datasets, but the burden of proof is definitely on you to show that.
Show threadDavid GerardAug 11, 2023
yeah, tthis guy’s on the wrong lemmy