MicroWaveRussia spreading false claims about Qur’an burnings to harm NATO bid, says Sweden
freagleLOL, so ridiculous. Islamophobia is a de facto requirement to join NATO
Found the Russian.
I thought you were just kidding, but then I read his post history.
He’s from Lemmygrad. I hope everyone defederates them eventually
Oh absolutely. While I love baseless accusations, accusations are better when it’s obvious.
harkTrue, bro. Lemmy should be another arm of the CIA.
I like it when people make up statements because they can’t refute what is actually being said.
Tells a lot about the person.
Says the guy who posted “found the Russian”. I understand you’re trying to back up your CIA co-worker, but there is nothing to refute in the post I replied to, so you’re not making any sense. He just wanted to defederate from Lemmygrad (guess why).
You got me there. Now I gotta get a new job.
Historical_GeneralHis post history is no different to his comments here??
Yeah, but I didn't expect it be nearly every single comment.
I have alts for current affairs and local normal stuff; this one is supposed to be for hobbies like Tolkien and fantasy stuff but I keep getting dragged into other stuff lol.
Actual queation, isn’t russia like…MORE against brown people?..
No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn’t hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states.
M0oP0oI guess I will just leave this here.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/EUR46/022/2006/en/
I’m sorry. Are you implying that the existence of ethnic violence within Russia is indicative of Russia being MORE against brown people than the NATO countries. The US who occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, bombed all of Iraq’s civil infrastructure, organized multiple coups, occupations, and pro-Western regime changes throughout the Islamic world, developed their own interpretation of Islam that was extremist and then trained Islamic extremist groups in terrorism and used them to achieve pro-Western goals? How about the brown people in India that NATO member Britain occupied, exploited, destroyed, and extracted from, and starved millions through a deliberate famine? How about the brown people France occupied, enslaved, and killed all through Africa? How about the brown people the Netherlands, NATO member, kidnapped from Africa and sold, occupied all around Africa and Southeast Asia? Belgium? Spain?
Every single one of those countries has ethnic violence within their own borders, but that’s not the primary indicator of how much harm they cause brown people. The US literally ran eugenics programs against various shades of brown people through the 1970s. Those eugenics programs were adopted by the Third Reich and used against many different people’s who were considered non-White, but in Mein Kampf the author literally states his aims to apply the US programs of industrial genocide and apartheid to subjugate the Slavs.
No, Russia isn’t MORE against Brown people. The enemies of the West are not merely worse versions of the West, despite what the propagandists would have you believe.
Neat the goal posts have already moved.
Oh and:
researchgate.net/…/337291231_The_Concept_of_the_'…
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857
Oh and the current genocide (I am waving my hands in the general direction of Ukraine)
Hurdurr whataboutism! You found a research paper that literally states that there is no evidence of eugenics finding institutional roots that would indicate a flourishing of eugenics but instead focused on improving environment, social, and educational conditions of people so that people would become better people over time. Compare that to the actual forced sterilization of fully a third of the colonial US holding of Puerto Rico, the mass murder of 7/8s of the indigenous population in the Americas followed closely by the destruction of their environment and destruction of their social and educational behaviors followed by the forced kidnapping of millions of indigenous children and their subsequent re-education by physical, psychological, and sexual torture to remove their language and culture and turn them into obedient slaves of the white ruling class.
I mean, you’re a sick fuck if you think this paper is anywhere near capable of being compared to US eugenics, let alone what was going on in Europe at the time.
I have and never will compare the two. I don’t think anyone was expecting a contrast and compare with the USA (who I think only you have mentioned).
Oh and yes, thanks for the “Hurdurr whataboutism!” I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across.
You didn’t think they would when he gaslit whataboutism?!
I am sorry, but I must not be reading that right, I cannot parse.
Sorry - forgot the word “knew”. The guy is just bad-faith.
LOL, what goal posts? You’re just randomly throwing out what you think are logical fallacies as your solution to countering narratives that paint Western actions in a negative light? Try to define the “goal posts” and then show what you think moved. Because as I see it, the question is “who hates brown people more” and that means the goal posts are quite literally “who’s actions have harmed brown people the most”
These “goal posts”:
“No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn’t hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states.”
And the research that was posted is exactly what I said it would be - it doesn’t hold a candle to even one of the Western European states.
You said Russia’s negative treatment of PoC wasn’t even comparable to any Western European country. He sent back a report about mistreatment in Russia. And you changed the subject to whether Russia or the USA has been worse. I think that is what the person responding to you is referring to.
That is literally what comparable means, to compare. I compared Russia’s track record with the West’s track record. And showed that it was incomparably worse in the West than in Russia, because the West has been exporting it to hundreds of millions for centuries.
according to the statistics afro russians are such an extreme minority that many of my local towns have more people of African descent than the entirety of Russia.
They are but they are more against NATO than brown people, so they’ll side with brown people to hurt NATO. I have a russian colleague that is the summary of Russia. I used to talk a lot with him and he was a racist and homophobic bastard, but he would act friendly towards indians and chineses because of political reasons.
Like alt-right politicians and gay people?
What really weirds me out is the small group of LGBT without the T siding with the religious.
Wtf! They are going after you next!
Flying SquidWeird, then, that Turkey is in NATO. Are they afraid of themselves?
You can’t bring logic to a bad faith argument!
Ok Boris
It’s so sad that you have to imagine your ideological opponents as paid shills of the government you know nothing about. It’s too hard for you to imagine that I’m actually a born and raised American white boy who went through the same indoctrination everyone else around me did and through self-crit, studying history, and engaging in dialog with people who challenge my deeply held convictions that I ended up disagreeing with your deeply held beliefs. It’s sad. I don’t need to imagine you’re something you’re not in order to understand why we disagree.
Ok boris
I thought we all assumed that’s what was happening anyways
But seriously, if anything fucky is going on rn, my default is that Russia is behind it. Kinda sucks because it’s just another conspiracy theory, but it fits too well not to be true most of the time. The coups going on in Niger (and Mali and Burkina Faso before) are the most obvious examples. Less obvious is the disinformation campaign in Germany (and probably all over europe) against progressive policies atm.
I think it’s less about being against progressive policies and more about creating societal friction by supporting controversial figures and helping politicians that are pro-russia. The conservative/ alt right politics fit Russia, but more importantly those parties are often less critical of Russia (they don’t mind their anti human rights / free press autocratic tendencies as much) while also being underrated in the polls. Populistic anti-migration parties often aren’t taken seriously and rarely included in coalitions, but get a surprising amount of votes which can still be fairly useful to influence those countries.
Apparently the west is just sitting on their asses doing nothing with exponentially more resources than russia?
Saying one thing is happening doesn’t make it mutually exclusive for other things to be happening.
ArxCyberwolfCareful, you’re going to confuse the little tankie.
You’re never confused because you let your CIA handbook do all the thinking for you. Everyone you disagree with is apparently a tankie. The word has lost all meaning (if it even had one beyond bashing leftists in the first place).
The person I responded to said, and I quote, “if anything fucky is going on rn, my default is that Russia is behind it.”
The coup in Niger is directly tied to Russia through the Wagner group. Those assholes are neck deep in seemingly half the continent’s internal strife.
Russia at the center of a whole hell of a lot of the tension and strife that the world has gone through over the last few years.
He is trying to destabilize the West in hundreds of different way and average folks just don’t understand or actually would even believe. Far right candidates in Italy, France, the US and elsewhere. Stirring of the religious pot in Sweden and a few other Europeans countries. He has an army of Russian trolls online trying to spread misinformation and propaganda. The most obvious international meddling that he’s done is invade Ukraine, but there is just so much more.
This list is from 5 years ago and so much more could be added, but much of the meddling we won’t really know for years to come.
Brexit and trump are both russian victories
Oh absolutely, but there are so many more, it’s scary.
Yeah for sure. At this point even Biden is.
And Lemmy
And my axe!
Any Western reporting about how much Russia “meddles” in the affairs of others is laughable because the US and the Western European powers have done so much more, for so much longer, and far more effectively. If the goal is to stop meddling, try dismantling the West first, then go after the smaller threats.
^
Edgy teen angst comment right here.
LOL. Entire families killed by US-trained death squads in El Salvador as a signal to indigenous people to stop political organizing inspires angst? OK.
You heard it here first, folks. Simply training groups is somehow worse than invading Ukraine.
Grrrrrr America Bad!1!!
Training groups to do what?
Pretty much describes the entire lemmygrad instance