Mastodawn

🌿Aug 4, 2023

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- 7.2% of American adults are LGBTQ. That's 18.9 million adults, or larger than the entire veteran population.
- 11 million Americans are bisexual. That's more people than the entire state of Georgia.
- 3.6 million Americans are gay. That's more than the entire state of Utah.
- 2.6 million Americans are lesbian. That's more people than every single farmer in the country.
- and 1.6 million of us are transgender. That's TWICE as many as there are cops in the entire United States.

When people say "we shouldn't change our entire society just to pander to such a small percentage of it", that's obviously a really dumb argument from just an ethical stance. But it's also a really dishonest one. Because they would never say the same thing about veterans, farmers, cops, or the populations of entire States.

Logan Five Thousand Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly And I imagine that these numbers are just those who felt comfortable enough with who they are and comfortable enough to list themselves accurately on a questionnaire. The numbers could be higher.

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@LoganFive i have this little pet theory that, all other factors being eliminated, the percentages of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and trans people should probably be roughly equal to one another.

Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly @LoganFive I'd expect there to be more bisexuals (as in, *some* attraction to attributes common to more than one sex/gender) than fully straight or fully gay. Maybe 60% of a population comfortable with honest self-reflection and not in moral panic about it.
Including a lot of asexuals and demisexuals with only or mostly non-horny attraction.

Fabien Nicolet ✊ 🏳️‍🌈🏴Aug 4, 2023

@petealexharris @LadyDragonfly @LoganFive I am flabbergasted* that there is so much of us, and so much more than gays and lesbians combined, tbh

(*love this word, probably not using it right, sorry, not a native english speaker)

@LadyDragonfly @LoganFive My pet theory is that that given a population that is completely accepting of all sexualities and genders, we'd see a huge amount of bisexuals. I believe that comphet is artificially lowering the amount. That said, I do still think the majority lean het even if they're technically bisexual.

anarchy_punk_genderfluid

@reina @LadyDragonfly @LoganFive Most human traits with two extreme versions are part of a bimodal distribution. Straight would be one crest, gay/lesbian would be the other. If you google bimodal distribution and look at the graph it's pretty clear the majority of the population fall somewhere in between.

tdlr: totally agree but said in a very nerdy way

Anna Spanner 👩‍🏫🇪🇺🧪Aug 4, 2023

@LoganFive @LadyDragonfly this is interesting, from UK office of national statistics: numbers increasing all the time - as people develop confidence in their sexuality and/or identity? 💕

Logan Five Thousand Aug 4, 2023

@Annaspanner @LadyDragonfly
I suspected as much! I don't think it's just confidence, but more societal acceptance as well (depending on where one lives) letting people be more honest, maybe.

Anna Spanner 👩‍🏫🇪🇺🧪Aug 4, 2023

@LoganFive @LadyDragonfly Absolutely! I see this in my pupils all the time! We are a super gay school compared to where I’ve worked before and it's wonderful to see kids out and proud. teachers arent so brave, though!

geobeck Aug 4, 2023

@Annaspanner @LoganFive @LadyDragonfly
Unfortunately, anti-gay types will use these statistics to say that gayness is spreading due to grooming, activist teachers, COVID vaccines, 5G, fluoridated water, microchips, or general leftism.

(I started to put the conspiracy terms in quotes, but this toot would have looked like a chicken farm.)

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@geobeck @Annaspanner @LoganFive they will always speak of us in degrading, dehumanizing terms. Because the goal is to eradicate us. We are in a slow war. A slow, dirty war.

geobeck Aug 4, 2023

@Annaspanner @LoganFive @LadyDragonfly
Also as we learn more about the nature of gender and orientation. Is anyone 100% binary, or are most people close enough to one end or the other that a binary identification makes sense?

And if everyone were willing and able to reach deep inside and examine themselves thoroughly, would "most people" apply above?

🔥Cassandra🔥Oct 19, 2023

@LoganFive @LadyDragonfly The comfort level on here seems pretty high 🙂

https://tech.lgbt/@electron271/111257921111783164

ave (she/her) (@[email protected])

:boost_requested: wondering how many fedi users are lgbtqia+ [ ] i am lgbtqia+ [ ] i am not lgbtqia+

LGBTQIA+ and Tech

Rrrurboatlibad Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly I'm not saying I don't believe you, but can you provide sources for your percentages? That would very useful please

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@rrrurboatlibad I don't take homework assignments. If you want to check my info for yourself, Google exists.

Addison Crump Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly @rrrurboatlibad
Here's some sources:
- https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-study-estimates-16-million-us-identify-transgender-2022-06-10/
- https://news.gallup.com/poll/470708/lgbt-identification-steady.aspx

New study estimates 1.6 million in U.S. identify as transgender

A study published on Friday estimates that nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender, based on an analysis of newly expanded federal health surveys.

Reuters

Anna Spanner 👩‍🏫🇪🇺🧪Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly @rrrurboatlibad @addison Thank you. Best practice is always to provide sources.

Rrrurboatlibad Aug 4, 2023

@addison @LadyDragonfly thanks. That was helpful. I appreciate it

Pēteris Krišjānis Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly also human rights. Your society has to support them. If not, there is no progress and why then I have to support your old sorry ass.

Andrew Perfors Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly Not to mention that many, many more people than that have friends or family who are LGBTQ. I daresay they are deeply affected as well.

MIGRATED TO: [email protected]Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly what i'm getting from this is every bi person in the US should come together to take over georgia

m0xEE Aug 5, 2023

@mjdxp
What should transgender people do with the cops then — that's a more interesting question 😏
@LadyDragonfly

Björn Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly I think individual groups in society are always percentages.
It is not about who is bigger but to play groups against each other, many issues are shared between people.
I can be not queer but also benefit from the acceptance and the removal of preconception of genders.
When it comes to financial things the biggest group most countries pay attention is the military.
Nothing receives more funding or even legal exceptions.

Jenny Fx Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly if only they'd all vote!

12foxfire Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly
Thanks. This was very informative.

Ripp (Old Account ➡ Chitter)Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly my favourite example of this is there is more trans people world wide than Irish people

And since we added a whole special exception case to the app we made for Irish, we could atleast fix name changes.

Doc Impossible Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly all of your rhetorical points are 100% true, but it needs to be noted that those numbers are dated, and low. Just the US trans population, for instance, is 1.6% of all Americans, or about 5.3 million people.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/

About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth

1.6% of U.S. adults are transgender or nonbinary. Also, a rising share of Americans say they know someone who is transgender.

Pew Research Center

Rachel Aug 4, 2023

@Impossible_PhD @LadyDragonfly

What always gets me with numbers that count all Americans is the age skew.

1.6% of all Americans in that one survey , but 5% of the youngest group.

But what about the missing 3.4% of 30-49 years old people? 😥

And that 5% certainly isn't the ceiling either. More people feel safer coming out, but it still isn't as good as it could be.

I know if have had a different life it today's acceptance and dialog existed 15 years ago.

Doc Impossible Aug 4, 2023

@transitory @LadyDragonfly Well, here's my take on where the missing 3.4% are:

https://stainedglasswoman.substack.com/p/there-are-3855-million-trans-people

There are 385.5 million trans people alive today

Estimating a headcount from the best data we have

Stained Glass Woman

Rachel Aug 4, 2023

@Impossible_PhD @[email protected]

What always gets me with numbers that count all Americans is the age skew.

1.6% of all Americans in that one survey , but 5% of the youngest group.

But what about the missing 3.4% of 30-49 years old people? 😥

And that 5% certainly isn't the ceiling either. More people feel safer coming out, but it still isn't as good as it could be.

I know if have had a different life it today's acceptance and dialog existed 15 years ago.

isotope239 🥸💻🇺🇦😣Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly I don't understand why the religious nutters can't just leave people alone when all that LGBTQ et. al. folks are doing are trying to get along like anyone else. What business is it of the xtians anyway? As long as a person is reasonably civil and doesn't throw loud parties next door (to which I'm not invited), what the hell difference does it make to me or anyone else how they live their life? People of every flavor should have the right to live comfortably in their own skin.

Joana de Castro Arnaud Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly Thank you for the numbers! They match somewhat with my personal expectations about LGBT demographics:

- Sexual orientation: about 60-65% hetero, 20% bisexual, 10% gay/lesbian, 5-10% others.
- Gender: 2-3% trans/non-binary, the rest cis.

I think that, as trans visibility grows, we will find that 5-10% of people are trans. Time and research will tell.

Seán Fenian Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly and that's not even getting into the number who are not christian or not white.

@LadyDragonfly well, they do but only if those are marginalized minorities and not billionaires and corporations.

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@kkarhan I have literally never heard anyone say "we shouldn't waste taxpayer money on cops or veterans because they're such a small percentage of our society"

@LadyDragonfly maybe it's because they are an election-swinging block and pissing them off is political suicide in the USA?

OFC they don't oppose them directly but GOPers do try to curb VA budget...

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@LadyDragonfly And to think, this doesn't even consider the fact that governments are going out of their way to actively fuck over queer people. If we're really such a small portion of the population, then why do jackasses like Ron DeSantis feel the need to put so much effort into silencing us?

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@bryn fascists always need a target. The smaller, the better. They're cowards. They always pick the one they think can't fight back.

1MadMom Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly And yet there's a group called "Log Cabin Republicans" who still vote against their own civil rights. 🙄

Joy Denebeim Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly well except for maybe Texas

Kern Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly You hear this about intersex folks a lot because the mere existence of intersex people destroys the "basic biology" so-called-argument. If you acknowledge intersex people exist, then you can't consider gender a simple binary, so they handwave them away instead

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@kern there are about 1.6 million intersex people in America. More than every single active duty soldier in every branch of the United States military combined.

Rat Dad Aug 4, 2023

@LadyDragonfly @andthisismrspeacock what I'm hearing is that queer people outnumber cops 10 to 1

What are we waiting for?

robryk Aug 5, 2023

@LadyDragonfly
TIL that there are more bisexual people than homosexual ones. Is expect the hidden fraction to also be higher amount bisexual people (naively it sounds easier for them not to realize), so this might be a real effect.

@LadyDragonfly People also wouldn't accept medical professionals like doctors being banned from treating diabetics to correct a physical flaw.

The percentage of gender minority people and diabetic people in the population is on a similar scale. Diabetic population is about 0.5% Type 1 (born with it) and about 10% Type 2 (acquired or gradual or lifestyle related).

Pa7rick (VT_ran ou Patjay68)Aug 5, 2023

@LadyDragonfly @Foxmonsieur Could it be possible that that there are much more than you say, as many of them keep hiding ?

Maggie Maybe Aug 5, 2023

@LadyDragonfly I am old enough to remember when our countries claim to fame was that we were a melting pot. That we accommodated everyone who wanted to be an American. I think we need school house rock to come back on TV please. That might help.

Lyle Solla-Yates Aug 5, 2023

@LadyDragonfly I would visit Bisexual Georgia

enmodo ⚛️ 🧬 🇺🇦 🍉Aug 6, 2023

@LadyDragonfly and three in ten have no religious affirmation (2021 Pew Research Study) but they basically have zero representation in Congress or State legislatures. Until they do I'm afraid the State sponsored persecution of LGBTQ+ will continue. For sure not all "nones" are on your side, especially the ones pretending to be Christian-ish. However in my experience most are far more likely to support the "live and let live" doctrine vs the US religious Right's "confirm or die" ethos.

Durrandon Aug 6, 2023

@LadyDragonfly
I had this conversation a while back with a friend who was trying to to tell me that trans rights were a distraction from bigger issues like homelessness. Don't get me wrong, I think that homelessness and housing affordability are important issues, but I had to prove to him that there are twice as many transgender people as their are people experiencing homelessness.

Lightning Bjornsson*

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@durrandon @LadyDragonfly Trans rights is ironically core to homelessness. So many homeless youth are LGBT.

The Zionist Entity (aka Keira)Aug 13, 2023

@LadyDragonfly
The size is the whole point. It worked for ages when they tried to put 50% of the population (women) under the thumb but they're starting to lose their grip now. Anyone held in their place is one less to worry about, and if there are inferior people then the “superiors” will have a vested interest in maintaining their privileged position and thus be even easier to herd. They could just as easily divide by religion or race or whatever. Division is the point. Divide and rule.

Dana das Grau 🧙🏻🧝‍♂️Aug 16, 2023

@LadyDragonfly just imagine those numbers after we throw open the closets. Are there really any completely heterosexual men?

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@DanadasGrau
Well, I hope so. I married one.

Dana das Grau 🧙🏻🧝‍♂️Aug 16, 2023

@LadyDragonfly he never had any same sex experiences in his life?

Dana das Grau 🧙🏻🧝‍♂️Aug 16, 2023

@LadyDragonfly I have had experiences with some “straight” guys. Sexual repression is one of the biggest problems we have in this world.

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@DanadasGrau telling others who they are isn't a good look.

Dana das Grau 🧙🏻🧝‍♂️Aug 16, 2023

@LadyDragonfly [A] CONSIDERABLE PORTION OF THE population, perhaps the major portion of the male population, has at least some homosexual experience between adolescence and old age. In addition, about 60 per cent of the pre-adolescent boys engage in homosexual activities, and there is an additional group of adult males who avoid overt contacts but who are quite aware of their potentialities for reacting to other males. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447861/

Sexual Behavior in the Human Male

PubMed Central (PMC)