Druid 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Aug 4, 2023

I'm really fed up of seeing articles like:

• PHP is dead
• Does PHP have a future?
• 10 reasons not to use PHP
• Here's a hundred languages to use instead of PHP

#php is a fantastic, highly capable #programming language that's constantly evolving. I suspect the authors of such articles may have used PHP once in 1995 for a "Hello world".

If you can't cope without using a million Java frameworks or whatever else is flavour of the month then you might want to reassess your own #coding skills. 😠

Show threadGiles GoatAug 4, 2023
@druid <Nerd RANT MODE>
NOBODY "codes" web stuff ! Isn't it all "tools and generators" and "hyper inflated frameworks" and whatever "HTML" that gets generated no human will ever understand it ? Of course they don't want PHP .. this means you should know what you are doing !
</Nerd RANT MODE>
Show threadDruid 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Aug 4, 2023
@gilesgoat Exactly. Why create a beautiful, efficient page with only what's needed when you can stuff it full to overflowing with needless crap the user never even sees.
Show threadGiles GoatAug 4, 2023
@druid The REAL SCARY PART is "the security issue" and "WHAT is ACTUALLY DOING that page ??" .. sometime I watch HTML stuff "cause I am curios" .. I see things that I cannot explain .. I get paranoid thinking "everything tries to do something not evident behind your back" ..
Show threadDruid 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Aug 4, 2023
@gilesgoat Yep. Shocking how many seemingly random calls to other external resources some pages make. Especially those infested with ads.
Show threadGiles GoatAug 4, 2023
@druid If you want to see "the top of the top" about that .. just "try to develop ANY app on Andorid" .. and while you connect to your ( Android ) device open the "Debug Log" and just even without launching anything WATCH what's going on .. there's a CONSTANT stream of data between your phone and N "Google entities" .. even stuff like "the state of your battery" every 5 seconds or such .. it's MENTAL the amount of data your phone gives away to "someone".
Show threadDruid 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Aug 4, 2023
@gilesgoat Ooh! Sounds interesting (and scary). I'll have to try that. I've only done some basic Android development but I'd like to get back into it.
Show threadkeithzgAug 4, 2023
@druid @anniemo71 @gilesgoat Having tried to do Android development is, frankly, one of the bit reasons why I remain a fan of PHP :P Gods Android development is such a needlessly complicated and overhead-laden process compared to PHP web development . . .
Show threadGiles GoatAug 4, 2023
@keithzg @anniemo71 @druid Seriously all the ( some ) times I had to do anything on "Android" ( mostly Quest ) I found the "sdk" ( Android Studio ) to be "awful". I mean it SHOULD do "what it says it should be doing" .. except that it doesn't or WORSE it does it and then out of the blue STOPS doing it "for now apparent reason". The whole thing to me seems a dog's breakfast and "we wanted to cram it ALL we could possibly cram". My idea is that is "overbloated" and tries to pleasure everyone CONT.
Show threadGiles Goat
@keithzg @anniemo71 @druid and ends up in pleasuring NONE ! .. I have NO IDEA if "going Java" makes things better/worse, I don't want to be close to that thing my development ALWAYS is and will be "native". Also I SUPPOSE I was "one of the few" (?) doing Vulkan native CPP on Quest. Documentation was really terrible, code samples "super out of date" a lot of stuff for me been guesswork and trial an error. But what I HATED was the whole "system" going bananas and being overly complicated CONT.
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Show threadGiles GoatAug 4, 2023
@keithzg @anniemo71 @druid Gradle SUPPOSEDLY should make life simpler .. IT DOESN'T, in the end I ALWAYS had to do touching/doing by hand "makefiles" or stuff like that where ONE SPACE in the "wrong place" could cause TONS of "obscure crap". Also not to mention "problems with filepaths lengths in Windows", Windows is NOT Linux/Unix, I think the limit is 250 chars also WHY to install all in "AppData" is a mystery .. CONT.
Show threadGiles GoatAug 4, 2023
@keithzg @anniemo71 @druid Overall I found myself spending 70% of time fighting with Android Studio "to make it simply compile and link" AND/OR to try to make a copy of a working project "A" and make it into "B" and continue with "B" .. SHOULD be simple, it's NOT "All that SHOULD have worked automatically NEVER did" .. I spent countless hours, days cursing Google and Android in despair to make things work. "Documentation" .. NEVER worked "do this" .. it doesn't work .. terrible experience !