== HOW TO SET UP ON THE DECENTRALISED FEDERATED SERVICE "E-MAIL" IN 2023 ==

1. your problem is Google, MS and Yahoo.
2. SMTP over SSL *only*.
3. SPF, DMARC, DKIM
4. they don't like your IP or your face or can't be bothered or something and you have weeks of supplication hoping there's a human there
5. give up and outsource it

as a sysadmin, I always advise going straight to step 5

anyone using "e-mail" as an example of a successfully decentralised federated service in 2023 does not know what they're talking about and should be ignored

stop doing this

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EDIT: if you're a fatuous dipshit, read the replies before you answer. or better, don't.

@davidgerard
You're right, and it probably needs an asterisk, but is the analogy in the context of explaining how fedi works really harmful? I rarely see it as a basis for self-hosting as something easy to do, but only to explain concepts like ActivityPub to folks without a technical background.

Everybody deals with email, and generally understands what the @ means in an address, so I've seen a number of people "get" it thanks to that, and I can't think of another one that's as universal

@jaawerth mostly that it's a lie on multiple important levels. also that if the fedi was like email, that's actually the feared *failure* mode.

i have repeatedly had email put to me as slam dunk proof that decentralised federation is feasible. but that's a clown assertion.

@davidgerard
That's fair. I've mostly seen it in things like https://docs.joinmastodon.org/#federation or in journalism about fedi, and seen other people absorb it easily, so wasn't too uncomfortable with it as a sort of "spherical cow" idealized example for simplification, but yeah not if it's reinforcing the idea that, um, cows are spherical
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@jaawerth ah, i didn't realise joinmastodon was the source of the disease

mind you, with mastodon.social liaising with threads.net, maybe they were just telling us

yeah, in common usage it's "but we know cows can be spherical, look at email"

decentralisation is literally always temporary and contingent - because if the word "decentralised" even comes into a discussion, it's because it's a contrast with a centralised common example, and that means you're in a space that naturally centralises.

nobody even says "decentralised" unless there's already centralisation.

@davidgerard @jaawerth I think mastodon needs an optional level of centralization to solve some of the platform problems, but I also think the problem is that people look at it as a monolithic social network when in reality what it is (and should be) is a loose connection of various communities.

Mastodon's biggest problem is that mastodon.social was ever a thing.