sad truth: as long as instances like .art keep moderating as they do ("proactively", guilt-by-association, etc.), Mastodon and the fediverse as a whole will stagnate.
I get that people want to keep it "manageable", but you also want more people to adopt the concept and ideology so we are not dependent on centralized services.
but new users will leave right away if they have to deal with federation issues if they can't interact with friends.
and of course, I'm not defending bad instances that spew bad stuff and attack others, are badly moderated and whatnot, everyone is free to block those off if they need to
but the whole deal of "association" and crap needs to stop.
@alinanorakari it hasn't even gotten to that point, but if they were to bring bigoted people etc. on here then they can rightfully do that, no offense then!
I assume the bigoted people want reach and whatnot and that is pretty hard to get on fedi anyway so I assume they wouldn't stick here for long anyway if so.
@pixel the BBC spreading transphobia on fedi is inevitable. It's not "some people in the BBC” it’s “The BBC as an institution”.
Why wait until somebody gets hurt by it when people on .art seem to prefer the proactive style because that makes .art a safe place.
The ability to defederate without a central committee or CEO deciding is the key strength of the fediverse and .art cutting out who the heck they want for what ever reason is exactly what some folks need to be on the fediverse
@alinanorakari I guess that is fair, instances are free to moderate who they want to.
and for the BBC, whatever.
I'm mostly a bit agitated by a thing that recently happened where a larger instance was cut off for association again, even though having strict moderation for themselves.
in most cases it is good that we have the tools to do what we need to do, but if people that are innocent are affected it just kinda sucks.
@pixel it may suck for some people who are not on .art, yes, maybe even for some on .art, who would hopefully have spoken up. I would guess they were ok with the decision
Some decisions can't be made fairly without also making them a lot of work. I'm sure It’s a tradeoff the mod of .art made to keep the marginalized users there safe. If in doubt decide in favor of their own users. Reduce moderation work in order to be able to keep doing it. Nobody is being held hostage on any instance
@alinanorakari all of these points are valid
I'm just thinking about new users mostly, artists tend to be one of the crowd moving here mostly
and if people are not really accustomed to fedi, but encounter issues with the federation aspect, that's just a point where they might go back to Twitter if they can talk to their friends there
simply because even if instance migration is possible, it is a hassle to people.
we don't need to water down what's currently there for new people...
@alinanorakari ...but all of these things are problems that might cause people to not stick to here.
Of course, fedi is not for everyone too, and .art does not need to bow down if it's their choice.
@alinanorakari I mean, having both things would be great.
and, if my instance were not to act, I as a user have the tools to make sure I don't have to deal with users/the instance myself.
it can be handled both ways really, and it's up to an instance.
@alinanorakari @pixel >when somebody gets hurt
When they cry? Who gives a crap? They have tools at their disposal to silence them, unless they are being attacked by users of that instance of course. That’s when an admin needs to get involved. The entire idea of “please defederate them, a user of theirs hurt my feelings” is a horrible idea.
@atlas_core more of the first
moderation is good, I don't really say anything against that, it's good when mods take care of their space
but deferation is in quite a few cases thrown around pretty quickly where it shouldn't be
@pixel Noting that I have a few friends, although not here, who have a few pretty dumb views (conservatism...).
Sometimes, it's like we talk past each other... When it comes to a few issues. So, I have an idea of what that can be like.
I think that every instance tends to have it's own standard (and I'm not thinking of instances dedicated to hate per se), more or less, and it's probably not tenable to carve up the map everywhere.
@pixel Yup. Like, I totally get wanting to block instances that have truly reprehensible content, but blocking for inane reasons like, say, replying _once_ to someone on a "no-no instance" borders on... something I can't find the right word for.
Single-user instances are perhaps a solution as you have absolute control and are not beholden to another individual, but it's not a viable one for the majority of users, sadly.
.art has been unblocked because it was a bad decsion from my part to block the whole community instead of the nasty admin.. Unblocked the domain and suspended the admin I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before that admin is gonna look for things to ban us That's what they do
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