Cyber GhostRepublicans vs Democrats
blarcoNah, this is some “both sides are bad” bullshit. One side tried to get rid of student loan debt and the other side said no. One side is fighting for equal right for all races/genders/color etc and the other side says no. It goes on and on like this. Give me a break.
小莱卡Nice copium lib.
Both sides are bad though. They are both neoliberals pieces of shit that care infinitely more about their corporate donors than they do about the people. Heck, they only throw scrums to people to pretend that they care.
You are correct that they are both inadequate for facing the crises of our time, but Republicans are choosing all of the worst options. Don’t pretend like an idiot is anywhere near as bad as a literal demon.
🏳️⚧️ 新星 [she/they]That’s an insult to mentally challenged people and demons everywhere!
I repeat, they are both neoliberals pieces of shit that only care about their pockets and we should get rid of both and establish a communist party.
CriticalResist8You are correct that they are both inadequate for facing the crises of our time
The only part of your comment that makes sense and you should have stopped there because everything you said after that is by definition wrong when preceded by this statement.
“Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results”
-Margaret Atwood
Neither side tried to get rid of student loan debt. One side just pretended to try.
They tried metaphysically and still failed.
This is an instance and thread I can get behind.
Ah. How refreshing from the reddit think.
Don’t argue with the tankies. They literally have no moral compass.
Aria 🏳️⚧️🇧🇩 [she]because libs like you are sooooo rich in morality, bombing global southern countries to no avail, never actually getting anything done to make peoples’ lives less of a hellhole, supporting literal fascists and even outright allying with fascists (spain). yeah, because you guys have suuuuch a rich moral compass.
rjs001As a post I saw here a few days ago said, liberals are full of moral statements and moral judgements but what they lack is moral standings
Black AOCThis is exactly why liberals don’t get shit done. You are too focused on optics rather than material reality.
We’re the ones with no moral compass; when the democrats oversee slavery in the Department of Corrections(while cutting the police fatter and fatter checks), oversee familial separation and rape in the internment camps at the border(while cutting ICE fatter and fatter checks), and gleefully play merchant of death kicking obscenely-priced contract after obscenely-priced contract to the military-industrial complex.
Okay, you fuckin hypocrite, okay. Sure. Posture all you like.
ImOnADiet🇵🇸 (He/Him)Bro your new display name hahaha
if Peggy doesn’t eventually drop a track with this title I’m rioting
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Then, cool and cozy, he logs onto Lemmy. “Tankies have no moral compass”, he says matter-of-factly.
SovereignStateThe Clintons had literal slaves. Like, the still-alive Clintons. Fuck you, devil.
Don’t you dronies have more hospitals to bomb under the name of “freedom and democracy”?
Water Bowl SlimeAbortion rights were repealed under Democrats, trans rights are being repealed under Democrats, police budgets have increased in response to BLM, and non-stop war is completely bipartisan.
Both sides ARE bad, just because one of them sometimes offers tepid opposition doesn’t make them good. Democrats are not on your side either.
In fact Obama campaigned on codifiying abortion rights but he entered office he admittes its not a priority for his administration.
Obama is peak liberalism. All talk, no show.
and several war crimes
What good is being a liberal if you cant have a little warcrimes as a treat?
Abortion rights were repealed because Trump got 3 partisan supreme court justices appointed.
Then pack the courts, codify abortion rights into federal law, do some executive order bullshit, or fuck it, abolish the supreme court entirely. There’s a lot Democrats CAN do but aren’t. If we’re being very charitable, then they value made-up rules over your human rights. That’s the party you want representing you?
If the only other real option is the Republican party then 110% yes.
tatterdemalionAbort the court!
What an absurdly simplistic view of things. All you’re doing with this “both sides” bullshit is encouraging more people to sit out the process which is how we got here in the first place. Shame on you, do fucking better.
MiddleWeighHey so I am empathetic to your point, but also have some disagreements.
I voted for Biden, and will again. But both sides are bad. One side is definitely worse, but doesn’t change the fact that dems are status quo, pandering, old money pearl clutchers who greatly benefit off of for profit criminal justice, and the suppression of working class. They are not my ally.
I’m really tired of the “perfect is the enemy of good” dnc party line, while we allow good enough to be enemy of better.
Just my thoughts. Also alot of the liberals act like this is sports or some shit. If you browse the conservative communities and the liberal ones, both sides are literally just mirroring eachother, instead of going after the people who put us here in the first place.
I’m a lefty, and american, and the politics here are rigged. I don’t really blame the people who sit out tbh. They’re up against a power, that quite frankly, will take a fair amount of upheaval to take care of. And no one wants to do that. It’s a shitty state of affairs.
I really hope we can get money out of politics, and have viable 3rd parties…but tbh, the dnc would try to stop that, so…they aren’t my true ally, just cause the other side is worse.
Our voting system (first past the post, winner take all) is keeping us in the two party system better than anything else the dnc could do. Let’s see them support ranked choice or similar.
That’s interesting. After I got done sitting out (in 2016, cause fuck Hilary), I voted for Biden (after Bernie dropped out) to get rid of the orange monster, and now I’m advocating for ranked-choice voting and additional parties. I’m more active than ever. Dems are bad. GOP is worse. I want true Left parties. Your rhetoric shames my desire for more options. Shame on you!
lol you twit. Don’t sit out any elections. Hillary would have been literally infinitely better than Trump.
A pet rock would have been better than trump.
Good luck with RCV, I think it’s probably a good idea, we use it in primaries in NYC and it’s done fuckall that’s been good so far.
But get off your moral high horse and pick the thing that does the least harm if you can’t find any positives.
Yeah, one is trying to disarm poor people, the other isn’t. One is murdering babies, the other isn’t.
Murdering babies is pretty great though, did you know that humanity has been doing it since ancient Mesopotamia? The ancient Romans used so much silphium as an abortifacient that the plant went extinct.
While the Romans did use a large amount of abortions, it’s incorrect to claim that silphium necessarily went extinct due to its usage in causing them. It was widely used for many different causes besides abortions as well. Just figured I would point that out as we should be specific and ensure our arguments when pointing out these ridiculous fallacies made by liberals, such as the person you responded to
There’s no need to be pedantic for no reason. Whilst it’s true silphium was used for many things (including cooking), we don’t know what percentage of it was used for which aspects, but we do know for certainty that one use was an abortifacient, at huge scale, and that the plant is now extinct.
Ergo, we can surmise that it’s widespread use as an abortifacient most likely contributed to its eventually extinction, along with its other use cases. Although I never said in my message that abortion was the sole use, I merely said that they used it for so many abortions it eventually ended up extinct.
Honestly mate, this comment seemed like a superfluous exercise in pedantic narcissism and reminds me why I need to stay far away from Lemmy.
Eh, not really being pedantic and absolutely not being narcissistic. It’s simply wrong to argue that silphium went extinct because of the rate of abortions in the Roman Empire. It was massively traded and sold throughout the Mediterranean so it’s ahistorical to claim, with full confidence, that it went extinct due to Roman abortions. I suggest giving this article (www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/…/full) a read on it. The claim that the Romans overused in abortions and lead to its extinction simply isn’t proven in anyway. It was most likely over harvested, sure, but as I said, it was used for many different causes. So to call me narcissistic is ridiculous and arguably ought to be applied to you over me.
You’re right, I’m the cunt and not you, clearly.
Do you have any other pedantic fact corrections about ancient Rome or the Middle Ages you can share?
Do you know what pedantic means?
I don’t actually. Will you explain it to me?
This is some real peasant-bullshit
Oh shut the fuck up man if you’re not seeing one hand wash the other on the ruling class shutting that down, you never will. The democrats never intended to pass student loan debt relief, or they wouldn’t have softballed something they KNEW the Supreme Court would shut down.
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” – Julius Nyerere
HeavenAndHellExactly and even if the Dems won the student debt relief, it’s such a little and temporary measure that no way addresses the root cause of the issue.
But of course, many people only look at Biden’s website and think that’s all you need to know about politics.
Give ME a break.
Oh, that website that’s ALREADY a whole pack of lies? That only exists on the Internet Archive bc the DNC knew leaving it up would make it easier for the proles to beat on them? That bullshit-assed website?
If they are trying to get rid of student loan debt then why were no laws passed for it when they had full control of the congreve and the executive branch? Only am executive order by Biden but no real action. Equal rights for races? Again, I ask you, why under the Democrats have no real laws been passed that have done anything to help that out? Same with gender oppression. Both sides are bad and they are no different. The Democrats and Republicans both are genocidal maniacs.
Do you think a young child in Libya, killed by a drone strike cares if the person who caused them to die claims to support gay rights or not?
It’s not “both sides bad”, it’s “they’re all on the same side”. The majority of Amerikans and non-Amerikans realize this. You are shilling for the bourgeoisie against the proletariat.
liberals? On our lemmygrad? It’s more likely than you think!
One side tried to get rid of student loan debt and the other side said no.
$10,000 or $50,000 is hardly getting rid of student loan debt and there are way more pressing issues like the fact medical debt is still the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US and mainstream dems are still balking at universal health care.
Maybe do a bit more research.
idunnololzThis both sides is bad argument is scary because it can cause people to become indifferent. It’s scary for minorities. One side is actively trying to get rid of minorities or marginalize them.
Yeah I get that in the context of the working class they are both bad but that’s not the only way people are categorized. People’s lives are literally being ruined due to the abortion ban and the regression in trans rights and it’s clear one side is pushing for it way more than the other.
US politics is one big WWE show and you’ve taken the bait that the democrats actually “tried”. When you realize just how much isn’t being done that could be done, and then look at all the same big donor lobbyist money they take in every year, it starts to make sense why the democrats are always “sooo close” to radical change. It’s deliberate and I’m tired of people thinking it isn’t