Cyber GhostRepublicans vs Democrats
who8mydamnoreosRepublicans only accomplishment since taking the house was to block loan forgiveness taking millions out of the working class economy every month to give to banks.
But both sides am i right?
You fail to mention how patriots normalized pussy grabbing and pornstar rawdogging to the point where third-graders are asking their parents and teachers about those family-values activities.
rjs001What are you talking about?
Yes you’re right. They’re both bad for slightly different reasons.
Except, both are. Both bomb children in the Middle East and help the fascistic genocide that is occurring against Palestinians. Both
I completely agree.
QueerCommieThey have the same foreign policy, but have different roles to play in keeping domestic policy terrible.
Democrats and Republicans came together in a super rare and bipartisans endeavour to shut down the rights of hard working railroad workers trying to strike for sick days and time off in December 2022. The final senate vote was 85 vs 15.
That should be a pretty clear indication that at least when it comes to helping working class people where it counts (money and basic human rights), both parties are identical.
Did you know the Biden administration continued working behind the scenes to get those workers their sick days without the major financial impacts the strike would’ve had on Americans already struggling with high inflation, and that they ultimately got them?
Straight from the union:
ImOnADiet🇵🇸 (He/Him)Visible strike breaking does far more to harm the actions of labor. I’ll believe joe brandon’s administration is siding with the working class when they work towards something meaningful like making sympathy strikes legal again
I actually did know that, but it doesn’t invalidate my point whatsoever.
If Democrats were truly supportive of working class people they wouldn’t be voting to remove their collective bargaining rights via an act of Congress. Think about that for a second – they would rather vote to send those workers to jail than allow them to exercise a core right of workers everywhere.
Doesn’t matter that Biden stepped in months later, Biden is the president and I’m talking about the general party in Congress, e.g. Democrats en masse.
My point is that strikes are predicated on the bet that the striking workers have a higher pain tolerance than the capitalists and their investors for the pain caused by a strike.
If UAW workers strike, GM makes fewer cars, people buy from competitors, and the capitalist suffers. If Kellogg’s workers strike, the same thing happens: capitalist suffers, competitors benefit.
Rail strikes spread that pain to everyone. It’s not the rail workers’ fault, but a strike would’ve led to millions of layoffs, a likely recession, and severe food and medicine insecurity. The wealthy would be perfectly happy with this outcome, while millions of Americans suddenly have no income with high inflation. There is some line where the needs of those millions outweigh the needs of the thousands of rail workers. I don’t know where that line is, but it exists, and I’m glad I’m not the one who has to decide where it is.
Black AOCIt’s not the rail workers’ fault, but a strike would’ve led to millions of layoffs, a likely recession, and severe food and medicine insecurity.
The stick to beat the billionaires with, trick and? If anything, this would’ve mobilized a MASS of people who otherwise never would’ve had skin in the game. Quite possibly the greatest movement of labor this century would have ever seen-- until the Honorary Pinkerton scrawled his Hancock to ratfuck the strike. You hide “fuck 'em, they should slave rather than get their needs as laborers met” behind fake concern for “the millions”; get fucked.
So a small group of workers should suffer because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
Those rail workers weren’t striking for higher pay, they wanted the basic human dignity of having paid time off and paid sick days.
JucheBot1988Reminder that while Sleepy Joe was out strikebreaking, Xi Jinping’s government was unionizing gig workers and slapping restrictions on their employers
That’s the point. They should have the right to remind the capitalists how essential they are and how much pain they could cause, so that the capitalists would be forced to provide basic things like paid medical leave.
PolandIsAStateOfMindIt’s not the rail workers’ fault, but a strike would’ve led to millions of layoffs, a likely recession, and severe food and medicine insecurity.
Even if that was true, dems (and you) just said that it’s ok for haute bourgeoisie to hold entire society hostage instead of doing something with this. Obligatory reminder that nothing of sorts would happen if the workers basic demands were fulfilled, but it seems that again the entire US political establishment coming from the stance of no compromise with the workers.
Do you think the children Democrats kill in hospitals in Libya and Syria care about that?
Nah, this is some “both sides are bad” bullshit. One side tried to get rid of student loan debt and the other side said no. One side is fighting for equal right for all races/genders/color etc and the other side says no. It goes on and on like this. Give me a break.
小莱卡Nice copium lib.
Both sides are bad though. They are both neoliberals pieces of shit that care infinitely more about their corporate donors than they do about the people. Heck, they only throw scrums to people to pretend that they care.
You are correct that they are both inadequate for facing the crises of our time, but Republicans are choosing all of the worst options. Don’t pretend like an idiot is anywhere near as bad as a literal demon.
🏳️⚧️ 新星 [she/they]That’s an insult to mentally challenged people and demons everywhere!
I repeat, they are both neoliberals pieces of shit that only care about their pockets and we should get rid of both and establish a communist party.
CriticalResist8You are correct that they are both inadequate for facing the crises of our time
The only part of your comment that makes sense and you should have stopped there because everything you said after that is by definition wrong when preceded by this statement.
“Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results”
-Margaret Atwood
Neither side tried to get rid of student loan debt. One side just pretended to try.
They tried metaphysically and still failed.
This is an instance and thread I can get behind.
Ah. How refreshing from the reddit think.
Don’t argue with the tankies. They literally have no moral compass.
Aria 🏳️⚧️🇧🇩 [she]because libs like you are sooooo rich in morality, bombing global southern countries to no avail, never actually getting anything done to make peoples’ lives less of a hellhole, supporting literal fascists and even outright allying with fascists (spain). yeah, because you guys have suuuuch a rich moral compass.
As a post I saw here a few days ago said, liberals are full of moral statements and moral judgements but what they lack is moral standings
This is exactly why liberals don’t get shit done. You are too focused on optics rather than material reality.
We’re the ones with no moral compass; when the democrats oversee slavery in the Department of Corrections(while cutting the police fatter and fatter checks), oversee familial separation and rape in the internment camps at the border(while cutting ICE fatter and fatter checks), and gleefully play merchant of death kicking obscenely-priced contract after obscenely-priced contract to the military-industrial complex.
Okay, you fuckin hypocrite, okay. Sure. Posture all you like.
Bro your new display name hahaha
if Peggy doesn’t eventually drop a track with this title I’m rioting
Fisk400 goes to Walmart. On the shelves, a product catches his eye “Wow, I can’t believe this AC unit is so cheap! Capitalism is great.”
A Congolese child smiles. His job in a rare earth excavation site made that AC unit possible, and cheap.
The child looks at the sky “I hope you’re happy, white master”, he says before he gets pushed back to work. It is 40C in the mine, he gets no AC. But at least wealthier people get to have it.
Fisk400 buys the cheap AC. “Who cares about climate change anyway, it’s hot outside”. Then, he sees something else a few aisles down: cheap meat. “Wow, that’s a great deal!”. He grabs a few packs of beef.
Somewhere in Argentina, a cattle rancher smiles. “I hope you’re happy, white master” says the man. He has never tasted beef; it’s too expensive for him. But he’s glad that someone else gets to enjoy it, at least.
Fisk never even heard the child and man, drowned by his new shiny purchases and the feeling of accomplishment they give him.
Upon leaving the store, Fisk400 pretends to not see the 75 year old greeter who is forced to stand there all day and say hi. “Oh god, I hope he doesn’t try to talk to me” he thinks as he darts to the exit, his products in hand. He can’t wait to try them out – it’s his god-given right to consume whatever is sold in stores with no further considerations.
Then, cool and cozy, he logs onto Lemmy. “Tankies have no moral compass”, he says matter-of-factly.
SovereignStateThe Clintons had literal slaves. Like, the still-alive Clintons. Fuck you, devil.
Don’t you dronies have more hospitals to bomb under the name of “freedom and democracy”?
Water Bowl SlimeAbortion rights were repealed under Democrats, trans rights are being repealed under Democrats, police budgets have increased in response to BLM, and non-stop war is completely bipartisan.
Both sides ARE bad, just because one of them sometimes offers tepid opposition doesn’t make them good. Democrats are not on your side either.
In fact Obama campaigned on codifiying abortion rights but he entered office he admittes its not a priority for his administration.
Obama is peak liberalism. All talk, no show.
and several war crimes
What good is being a liberal if you cant have a little warcrimes as a treat?
Abortion rights were repealed because Trump got 3 partisan supreme court justices appointed.
Then pack the courts, codify abortion rights into federal law, do some executive order bullshit, or fuck it, abolish the supreme court entirely. There’s a lot Democrats CAN do but aren’t. If we’re being very charitable, then they value made-up rules over your human rights. That’s the party you want representing you?
If the only other real option is the Republican party then 110% yes.
tatterdemalionAbort the court!
What an absurdly simplistic view of things. All you’re doing with this “both sides” bullshit is encouraging more people to sit out the process which is how we got here in the first place. Shame on you, do fucking better.
MiddleWeighHey so I am empathetic to your point, but also have some disagreements.
I voted for Biden, and will again. But both sides are bad. One side is definitely worse, but doesn’t change the fact that dems are status quo, pandering, old money pearl clutchers who greatly benefit off of for profit criminal justice, and the suppression of working class. They are not my ally.
I’m really tired of the “perfect is the enemy of good” dnc party line, while we allow good enough to be enemy of better.
Just my thoughts. Also alot of the liberals act like this is sports or some shit. If you browse the conservative communities and the liberal ones, both sides are literally just mirroring eachother, instead of going after the people who put us here in the first place.
I’m a lefty, and american, and the politics here are rigged. I don’t really blame the people who sit out tbh. They’re up against a power, that quite frankly, will take a fair amount of upheaval to take care of. And no one wants to do that. It’s a shitty state of affairs.
I really hope we can get money out of politics, and have viable 3rd parties…but tbh, the dnc would try to stop that, so…they aren’t my true ally, just cause the other side is worse.
Our voting system (first past the post, winner take all) is keeping us in the two party system better than anything else the dnc could do. Let’s see them support ranked choice or similar.
That’s interesting. After I got done sitting out (in 2016, cause fuck Hilary), I voted for Biden (after Bernie dropped out) to get rid of the orange monster, and now I’m advocating for ranked-choice voting and additional parties. I’m more active than ever. Dems are bad. GOP is worse. I want true Left parties. Your rhetoric shames my desire for more options. Shame on you!
lol you twit. Don’t sit out any elections. Hillary would have been literally infinitely better than Trump.
A pet rock would have been better than trump.
Good luck with RCV, I think it’s probably a good idea, we use it in primaries in NYC and it’s done fuckall that’s been good so far.
But get off your moral high horse and pick the thing that does the least harm if you can’t find any positives.
Yeah, one is trying to disarm poor people, the other isn’t. One is murdering babies, the other isn’t.
Murdering babies is pretty great though, did you know that humanity has been doing it since ancient Mesopotamia? The ancient Romans used so much silphium as an abortifacient that the plant went extinct.
While the Romans did use a large amount of abortions, it’s incorrect to claim that silphium necessarily went extinct due to its usage in causing them. It was widely used for many different causes besides abortions as well. Just figured I would point that out as we should be specific and ensure our arguments when pointing out these ridiculous fallacies made by liberals, such as the person you responded to
There’s no need to be pedantic for no reason. Whilst it’s true silphium was used for many things (including cooking), we don’t know what percentage of it was used for which aspects, but we do know for certainty that one use was an abortifacient, at huge scale, and that the plant is now extinct.
Ergo, we can surmise that it’s widespread use as an abortifacient most likely contributed to its eventually extinction, along with its other use cases. Although I never said in my message that abortion was the sole use, I merely said that they used it for so many abortions it eventually ended up extinct.
Honestly mate, this comment seemed like a superfluous exercise in pedantic narcissism and reminds me why I need to stay far away from Lemmy.
Eh, not really being pedantic and absolutely not being narcissistic. It’s simply wrong to argue that silphium went extinct because of the rate of abortions in the Roman Empire. It was massively traded and sold throughout the Mediterranean so it’s ahistorical to claim, with full confidence, that it went extinct due to Roman abortions. I suggest giving this article (www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/…/full) a read on it. The claim that the Romans overused in abortions and lead to its extinction simply isn’t proven in anyway. It was most likely over harvested, sure, but as I said, it was used for many different causes. So to call me narcissistic is ridiculous and arguably ought to be applied to you over me.
You’re right, I’m the cunt and not you, clearly.