Helen CzerskiThe evidence that cars don’t work as primary mass transport in cities is everywhere: traffic jams, air pollution, accident rates, the shocking fraction of city space taken up by parking spaces, safety barriers/bollards etc. This 100 year experiment should be declared over, and we should put proper effort into the systems that HAVE been shown to work and scale: walking, cycling, e-cargo bikes, cheap/accessible/reliable public transport. This “argument” about LTNs is just lazy delay. #LTN #cities
Michael S.@helenczerski nor ditching cars or only use car ways are gonna work. Each means of transport has its own niches and perks, their pros and cons. Cons for enormous use of cars are more widely known, than cons of other means, though. Bikes, for example, are highly dependent on weather and with massive usage also can take lots of space. Public transit also has cons: capacity is not unlimited, intervals can't be short enough and railways are also affected by bad weather. Balance is the only answer.
David S (inactive)Cycling is not highly dependent on weather. Copenhagen has some of the highest rates of cycling and certainly isn't well known for its good weather! It also has high quality cycling infrastructure which is really what cycling is dependent on.
@Pionir @helenczerski an example. You need to get somewhere and suddenly a thunderstorm is arriving. Options are: you use a car - you are fine, risking getting a delay, you are near public transit stop: you are probably fine, risking getting wet and/or delay, and finally you are about to use a bike: your ride is going to be very unpleasant, and you will be definitely wet and dirty and late or will be cancelling a trip. Depends on weather = outcome is worse or intentions change due to weather.
The Dutch (who know a thing or two about cycling) have a saying "we're not made of sugar".
Also waterproof clothing exists. In your example you put in a waterproof and you're fine. And thunderstorms spontaneously occur less frequently than say, traffic in cities, which makes you late in a car every time.
@Pionir @helenczerski first we talk about making cities more comfortable and suitable for everyone, then more and more points which make them less comfortable and less for everyone arising :) we can't get everyone in the car it won't be possible and make transportation less comfortable for everybody, but getting wet or need to use additional clothes or tools to overcome weather is also not getting us closer to comfortable transit.
@thatsame @helenczerski an umbrella or a cost is slightly easier and cheaper than using a car to keep the rain off
@Pionir @helenczerski except when it is useless in thunderstorms and when on a bike :) btw, prices are a completely different story.