amio*World* news vs US politics
Please. All of this is mostly US politics. Please do not hijack "world news" to mean whatever new shit Desantis or someone else said this week. Please....
So, submit more non US news?
Yeah I don’t think this is something planned you can turn a dial on. People are just posting their news and the origin of people here probably skews heavily US.
I’m guessing the U.S. isn’t in the world?
You’ve got the power to be the change you want to see.
People commenting “be the change you want to see” like it’s their first day in the internet.
Mods will either need to step up and ban US news, or folks who care will need to find a new comm that only allows international news.
chiisanaOr mods need to ban those who are whining. Look at the side bar: news from around the world, not news impacting the world. Don’t like it? Down vote it, and post more content that you’d like to see.
Reddit had a good system for this (gasp)
News was for US news, Worldnews specifically banned US news. If you wanted US news you went to news, if you wanted to catch up on news elsewhere you went to worldnews.
This system right now only serves Americans and until a split is put in place it only will serve Americans because the only posts people will see will be the ones all the Americans upvote
It was an ok-ish system which could be justified by reddit being a US-based company. It would have been better for the US to have its own US named politics sub. But the fediverse isn't based in one country, so the names can be a bit misleading for anyone browsing without Reddit-specific legacy knowledge.
There does need to be some way of reducing at least the scattershot crossposting in multiple places for the exact same content though. I tried to subscribe to multiple news and politics communities to get more globally sourced media and comments, but instead it's the exact same US-internal news links in triplicate from the same user. It's frequently interesting news, but not necessarily globally impactful enough to take up most of the screen.
I would support there being a US news, or similar pattern. Just calling US news, :news" is ummm… it’s odd. It assumes the US is the center of things - and we aren’t. And may be even less central as the world catches up.
For better or for worse, the US is part of the world. I had to unsubscribe from [email protected] because it was non-stop links about even the most trivial paid bits of outrage bait and campaigning, even though I was hoping to keep it to ensure I see perspectives from the US and articles about some of the important issues they have right now.
But I dont think excluding the US from the world, even just in name, is the best choice either. Partially because it encourages American isolation and exceptionalism, which helps nobody.
Ultimately I think this problem is best addressed by how platforms sort and filter content, but for now a new sub for international news articles that has to mention at least one location outside the US might be useful. Just to at least filter out the internal-only stories about MTG and Boebert clashing or the 15 articles about Mitch McConnell having a medical issue on camera. Maybe It could crosspost the top link each day from the major country and city instances/communities to keep it somewhat globally balanced.
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parrot-partyWorld News is always bound to be dominated by the news of the spoken language. While English is spoken very broadly, the US is the dominant speaker by population. Most "international" news will be written in the native language of the afflicted area. Since people here want English content, you're going up see mostly English speaking areas. Since the US is the largest, it'll be mostly US news.
If you don't like it, start sourcing interesting English content about non-english locations.
M0oP0oSo if my quick math is right the news should be about 2/3s USA
331 million in the USA vs 132 million in Canada, UK, and Australia.
I mean it seems more then 2/3s, and I am not including the other 86 English speaking countries…
McNastyTo do the math correctly, you’d need to start with their respective presence on the fediverse instead of the population by country.
IgnacioOn Reddit, there were/are some subreddits where you could/can talk about world news, and that means news from other countries outside US. But those news didn't have to be specifically written in English. There was a non-forced rule to provide a translation in English to those news inside the comments. So, you could post about "Macron dit qu'il ne démissionnera", and you can see in the comments the reasons why Macron won't resign.
That would be a great solution to the lack of content in English about news from Spain, France, Italy...
English is spoken very broadly, the US is the dominant speaker by population
You did the numbers? You sure?
I bet there are more people who also speak English in India or China alone, but adding in every European country should be a large cherry on top.
It’s easier to google it than it is to live through an internet fight.
And it’s less embarrassing.
I've looked it up before in a similar thread.
While there are a lot of English speakers in India, it is not their native language. News about India will be written for Indians and will tend to use their regional language. Same goes for China and most other countries. Even in the EU where news might be interesting to other EU nations, news is often written in the affected nations language.
It's just smart business to make your content tailored to the target audience.
MereoWe should create a community named worldnewsnotusa.
REdOG/l/politics already ran me off for trying to opine in on a more diverse political discourse than just US news.
Mod told me, “…all politics is local, and few care about international politics. You also have a language barrier that also makes global political forums less interactive.”
Then banished my opinion.
What kind of cult are they running over there?
Hey it’s politics so it’s probably some dumb ass ex-military fools complaining that the government didn’t help them fuck others enough. I don’t know I ran away when all my conversations kept vanishing mid post.
Oh I just noticed the little logo for them is the stupid uncle sam hat wearing lemming. well at least the .world one is.
LAME
Tbf, the lemmy.world politics community does have rules stating US-only posts. They could have chosen a better name, but they didn't. World news doesnt have any such rules so it's hard to know if their intent was foreign affairs related news between various countries or just news from around the world. Until they clarify, folks will likely interpret how they wish, and unfortunately it looks like that's gonna lead to a bunch of US centric news (based on observation, though I don't know why). Posting it in politics or uspolitics would reach a better audience, but folks are gonna do what they do.
In my opinion, the mods chose the name because US politics is the only news that matters to them. They could very easily open themselves up to other countries' political news but they resist that. It just seems stupid to act like the US is the main character.
Ok? I don't really care what their reasoning is. It's hardly a big deal.
So it’s like the ‘world’ in ‘world series’?
When I grew weary of a specific perspective in certain places, and wanted to see a broader diversity… I started threads with citations from that viewpoint/fact-set.
It’s not the mods job to feed us threads. Their job is to keep things civil and to be fair to everyone who choses to participate.
I am aware of a mod's role. What you said would make sense if it wasn't stated in the rules themselves that only US politics is allowed in c/politics.
TheSpookiestUserI would take it with a grain of salt. From my experience, 9/10 users who complain about a ban embellish it so they look like they were in the right.
Wait do they think local is only for the USA? like somehow outside their borders local politics don’t exist because it is all some how “international”? Wait, does that mean they don’t think when the USA does foreign policy that it is not “international”?
Wow, the mental gymnastics needed to be a member of the USA must be tiring.
We won’t know because the discussion is forbidden. I’m sure they’ll point to some ever changing reason like all good politicians
We need to make a new /I/politics then. I think we should call it USpolitics and the first rule is no Politics from the US. If people ask why we can say politics was already taken by a group that only allows politics from the US.
YoBuckStopsHereDiscussion is forbidden everyone!
Screw it I made it.
https://mander.xyz/c/uspolitics
New to this so it is likely ass, but hey done.
Free speech for thee fuck me…no fuck you
Just follow the rules and you won’t have issues.
I already left your little circle jerk bro leave me alone creep
Just keeping the record clear. Modlogs are public so everyone can see why your comments were removed.
I have not seen any “hostile mods” on lemmy.world and everyone has the ability to put in a username in the modlog and see that you are lying. You had two comments removed total, but because of being uncivil to community members.
I’m not an idiot. I was on Reddit for 16 years. I’m aware of that. Keep acting like there are women and children here to protect from my incivility moron You’re just making excuses for deleting everything I was fucking talking about. You’re proving my point now leave me alone. I don’t fucking want to be harassed by you asshole
They're trying to defend their choice of community name (arguably not doing a good job in my opinion). A lot of people have been complaining in other communities and I think they're getting defensive. Personally I think they chose poorly but ultimately it's not my call, so whatever. Only ones who can force them to change would be lemmy.world mods. They're saying there's no such thing as generic politics and that it'd all be local to somewhere so their claim to the name is fine (at least that's my interpretation based on what you said). Again, I disagree with the quality of their choice but I accept that it's their choice.
I see nothing in the rules that suggest that those types of posts don't belong here. You need to be making a plea to the mods, not the posters.
irkliTrue enough. Americans may make up a large portion of the fedi…
But it is true the Americans are less aware of how the US fits into the world scene.
And US stuff posted here should be framed in a way that acknowledges how the story related to the world outside the US. I’d think they would be a major thing.
Americans make up the largest portion of users of EVERY big social platform, because almost all of these are based in the US. So I don’t know why people always act surprised that US news dominate everywhere.
iDunnoBroI also struggle with this often as a 'Merican expat living in another country, hopefully permanently. Occasionally I wanna catch up on US shit but most of the time I care more about what’s going on in Europe and other places so I couldn’t care less about the perpetually stupid shit happening back in the US.
I’m still learning the language where I moved to so English news resources that are about other places can be very valuable to me. My main resource (and advice to others with this issue) is using an RSS reader with good sources you find along the way. Not every site has RSS these days but many do. I fill in the blanks with podcasts and stories in the language of my country. Only downside is no discussion unless you post on Lemmy or other social media, but maybe that can become a thing we do. :)
honestly, why not do what reddit did and restrict US news to a specific sublemmy
That can happen, but this is community run. It's not like you can force people to only post where you want them too. Those communities already exist. And as far as I can tell, it's not breaking any rules in this community. Discussions need to be opened with the mods to define clearer rules and maybe enforce the rules themselves or find volunteers to do so. But this post isn't the solution.
If it is a story from the US that would make international news of it were in another country, it should be posted here. I’m from Canada, US politics is world news to me. Their wretched politics seeps across our border, it’s material to my day to day life to stay abreast of the broad current events in the US, just like the UK.
Problem is that these Americans talk. A lot.
The grim reaper in Monty Python was onto something
Americans Englishmen and Death
Historical_GeneralI blocked that community and it is great over here on greener pastures. Now I can talk politics on all the other communities I’m subbed to.
𝐘Ⓞz҉US is literally becoming a menace to the World.
Always has been
Thats’s entirely a question of moderation. I do not.know how actively this community is moderated.
IverCoder“World news” and no news about India and Pakistan’s latest shenanigans. lmao.
I think you can post whatever you want.
SwansonsSwansongI second this, so much. Thank you.
Inb4 “and my axe”.