Jer WarrenJul 28, 2023
Fediverse drama is never-ending, and that's really frustrating.

I just moved here and now I have to consider another move because of new drama that features "doctored screenshot" receipts. I can't tell which side did the doctoring, and I'm not sure I even care.

Drama is once again tainting my instance, which will result in defederation from some instances as well as scaring people off from this instance -- and even Firefish itself.

Firefish is excellent so this is a huge bummer.
Show threadJesseJul 28, 2023
@nyquildotorg Agreed. This is what prompted my yammering this morning here https://mastodon.social/@misc/110791864800632376 - which in turn prompted @kylethayer to draft a first take on a #FediGovernancePact. Join the movement!
Show threadErnie Smith

@misc @nyquildotorg @kylethayer

Mastodon.art is a great server, but I worry its admin is too quick to jump to extreme measures/stances, and because of its prominence, it leads everyone else to assume the worst of everyone else at all times.

Your way of solving this issue beats what has happened before all this.

I love the fediverse, but the feeling of “responding to chaos that I don’t completely understand” comes up more often than it should.

Jul 28, 2023 at 5:35pmWeb
Show threadJer WarrenJul 28, 2023
@ernie @misc @kylethayer Do you mind clarifying what you mean by my way "beats what has happened before all this" ? I'm not sure I'm interpreting it the way you're intending.
Show threadErnie SmithJul 28, 2023

@nyquildotorg @misc @kylethayer It is a better solution.

We need somewhat higher standards than “instant fediblock because you retooted someone problematic.” It puts us in a situation where all people ever do is just argue.

Show threadJer WarrenJul 28, 2023
@ernie @misc @kylethayer are you saying my solution is to just consider moving without trying to pick a side, regardless of who is "in the right"?
Show threadErnie SmithJul 28, 2023
@nyquildotorg @misc @kylethayer I’m saying that admins need to stop ratcheting up to 11 the second something happens, and that there need to be controls that discourage that instinct—say, if you donate to the server, you get a vote in how it’s run.
Show threadErnie SmithJul 28, 2023
@nyquildotorg @misc @kylethayer Not to be lost here is that the post that was shared is citing an extremely dangerous and problematic precedent that is getting overshadowed over who shared it.
Show threadJer WarrenJul 28, 2023
@ernie @misc @kylethayer ok., I get it. I didn't propose anything like that (but don't disagree with it) or anything I interpreted as a solution, so I was confused about what my solution actually was! 😁
Show threadJer WarrenJul 28, 2023
@ernie @misc @kylethayer OK, threading is broken on my end, now I see that you were actually replying to a reply, not directly to something I said. Sorry for the confusion!
Show threadErnie SmithJul 28, 2023
@nyquildotorg @misc @kylethayer Aha! Maybe that’s a reason to consider leaving. :) Seriously though … heh.
Show threadKyle ThayerJul 28, 2023

@nyquildotorg @ernie @misc the
missing replies is one of my biggest complaints about Mastodon. You only see posts that have made it to your server and there is no indication that there might be other replies you aren't seeing.

It's an invisible problem that I see cause so much confusion! Maybe more users would demand a feature to load additional replies if they knew there were additional replies they weren't seeing.

[Though maybe you just mean poorly displayed threading, which is bad too]

Show threadJer WarrenJul 28, 2023
@kylethayer @ernie @misc it's not just a problem with mastodon, it's all of the fediverse. If that hadn't happened constantly on mastodon, I would probably jump to the conclusion that this time it was a Firefish problem.
Show threadJesseJul 28, 2023
@ernie @nyquildotorg @kylethayer Thanks! I was inspired by talking with @CoolerPseudonym about this last night https://mastodon.social/@misc/110788769174474115 and also @ariadne's commentary here https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/110789470143438500 And also the part in @kissane's most recent post, where she called for better resources to help people make initial instance choices. https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration (wanted to give credit but will untag anyone who wants)
Ariadne Conill 🐰 (@[email protected])

@adrienne @[email protected] this is why, i believe that you see very strange and convoluted arguments that frequently make little technical and/or social sense against things which would serve to take away from the social privilege admins have. personally, i would like to see admins not having any more social privilege than anyone else. admins are just here to make sure things keep flowing smoothly. and so, it leads to a healthier community dynamic, when admins are able to exist in communities without having to wear their admin or mod hats all the time.

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