"We will go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost-effective" Kurt Vonnegut
@pcawdron Salute, from one flower to another. ✊
@pcawdron the thing is; we're not. it's part of why societies die. we have to help ours crumble nicely enough that we can still get down from the rubble.

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Correct. Just look at the Roman Empire. Lots of parallels there.

@pcawdron Nahh. *If* humanity wipes itself out through climate change, then I'd be willing to bet that a thousand alien species did the same thing before us.

The prisoner's dilemma is a core concept of game theory. Why do people act like it's a bizarre trait of human behavior ? It's probably a universal property of any system with billions of independent agents.

@pcawdron imagine telling a country that you’re going to bankrupt them or they could just surrender now
@pcawdron Tonnes of Kingdoms burned because the King didn't wanna do something.
@score @pcawdron I think Kurt meant the human society. The above comment about intelligent aliens not lasting is apt.
@JakeHarrison @pcawdron Please describe what you would imagine a new, more socially evolved economic system would look like.

@Prendorian @pcawdron I would like to imagine a democratic social economic system where everyone, including LGBTQIA+ people, are treated inclusively, fairly, and respectfully, all greed and corruption in general is prohibited, the idea of forming a dictatorship is immediately rejected, workers receive a fair share of profits that they help create, and social safety nets are crucial for humanity to improve and evolve.

(Inspired by act.tv)

@pcawdron i thought it would be because we would dominate our ecosystem too much leading to the extinction of species we actually depend on for our own survival but this quote might not be about that so idk

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I think about Player Piano all the time.

How he extrapolated the desires of the capital class into a world of ever narrowing opportunity and obsolescence for everyone else.

Which is where we are with our tech-billionaire and ultra-wealthy RW extremist 'investors' trying to wreck any balance of power between labor and capital while simultaneously pushing for actual fascist govt and accelerated climate collapse.

Prescient and frightening

@pcawdron I don’t think Vonnegut ever said that, though the pessimism is certainly his. (I have also seen the quote attributed to Donella H. Meadows, but that doesn’t ring true to me and I’ve yet to find an actual reference.)

Vonnegut definitely did write this, though: “The good Earth—we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy.” (A Man Without A Country, 2005)

@noctuaminervae @pcawdron My favorite quote from Vonnegut was in a book of essays he published late in life.

"The last thing I ever wanted was to be alive when the three most powerful people on the whole planet would be named Bush, Dick and Colon."

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Greed has made us blind…

@pcawdron We won't go down in history at all, because there will be no historians left to record that history.
@pcawdron the man might have been a misogynist, but he was a visionary.

@pcawdron Vonnegut’s despairing message shows the weight of the past weighs heavily and the ruling class position that “There Is No Alternative” has had its effect.

Struggle will decide our fate. The options are socialism or barbarism.

Against capitalism’s program of war, austerity and dictatorship it is up to the working class, starting with its most combative and conscious elements, to organise to take power, defeat the counter revolution and reorganise society.

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"Humanity first.

Profit will follow."
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