David Fleetwood - RG Admin

Just a reminder that the guy behind @bravebrowser @brave was kicked from Mozilla for being a bigoted piece of shit, and that he continues to be a piece of shit attacking the health care workers who saved millions of lives during the pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/brave-brendan-eich-covid-19.html

#covid #brave #brendaneich

Brave's Brendan Eich Faces Backlash Over Covid-19 Comments

Brendan Eich’s opposition to same-sex marriage cost him his job at Mozilla. Now his doubts about the pandemic are getting him in trouble at the start-up Brave.

The New York Times
Jul 25, 2023 at 1:22pmWeb
Show threadggnoredoJul 25, 2023
Would you please share a link from another not piece of shit source? I cant read it
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminJul 25, 2023
@ggnoredo Here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230329091823/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/brave-brendan-eich-covid-19.html
Brave's Brendan Eich Faces Backlash Over Covid-19 Comments

Brendan Eich’s opposition to same-sex marriage cost him his job at Mozilla. Now his doubts about the pandemic are getting him in trouble at the start-up Brave.

The New York Times
Show threadzephyrvsJul 25, 2023

archive.is/7Rp3i

I wouldn’t consider Fauci a “healthcare worker”. He’s a fucking millionaire.

Show threadbuchoJul 25, 2023

That’s like saying: “I don’t consider Patrick Stewart an actor. He’s a fucking millionaire.” Just a profoundly stupid statement. Do you think that Fauci is just some old guy who looks good in a mask? He’s been a doctor for like 55 years. He’s been the director of the NIAID for 40.

“I wouldn’t consider Fauci a ‘healthcare worker’”. Jesus, what a dumb thing to say.

Show threaditsgroundhogdayagainJul 25, 2023
I tried Brave, wasn’t a fan of the notifications.
Show threadflamepanther ☢️Aug 17, 2023
@itsgroundhogdayagain @reflex
I liked the aggressive privacy defaults. But I didn't like how it pushes crypto stuff until you tell it not to.
Show threadoverkill0485Jul 25, 2023
Welp. I need a mobile alternative now.
Show threadKᑌᔕᕼIᗩJul 26, 2023

Firefox mobile.

You can install ublock origin in it and block ads just as well as on desktop.

Show threadflamepanther ☢️Aug 17, 2023

@overkill0485 @reflex

I started using Firefox for Android pretty recently and haven't had any complaints so far. I remember trying it many years ago on an older device and not being impressed. But the current version is great on my Pixel 6.

Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminAug 17, 2023
@flamepanther @overkill0485 Yeah, using the Flatpak version of Librewolf on my Fedora install and it's working great. Mozilla has come a long way.
Show threadflamepanther ☢️Aug 18, 2023
@reflex
I've been a fan of their desktop browser ever since they split from Netscape. For awhile, they lost their way a little bit in terms of keeping things light and fast. But Firefox feels really snappy again these days!
@overkill0485
Show threadJavier HerediaAug 18, 2023
@flamepanther @reflex @overkill0485 Add me to the Firefox train. Started using it as my primary browser in January and haven’t looked back.
Show threadBlazeAug 22, 2023
Mull
Show threadkobraJul 25, 2023
Thanks for posting, I actually had no idea. Glad I swapped back to Firefox a few weeks ago.
Show threadbadgrandpa69Aug 22, 2023
I switch to Brave from Firefox recently and prefer it more. What’s wrong with Brave?
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminAug 22, 2023

@badgrandpa I linked his COVID denial comments above, but also he is a unrepentant bigot who supports the dehumanization of LGBTQIA+ people and was run out of Mozilla for this.

Brave is literally the browser built on bigotry, brought to us by white men who hate to see one of their own face consequences for such bigotry.

Show threadbadgrandpa69Aug 23, 2023
Well is democracy, freedom of speech he can say what he wants. I don’t know how this apply to the software. We all used hardware manufactured in china - totalitarian country - so we shouldn’t use the products made in china?
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminAug 23, 2023

@badgrandpa I'm not going to tell you what you should do about China. I'm telling you why I remind people that Brave is a bit of software funded by VC's to keep a bigot employed.

I get that you may be cool with that. I'm not. And not enough people know who the CEO is or why Brave was founded.

Also, democracy nor freedom of speech have anything to do with this discussion. I am not the government. I am exercising my rights to call him out as a shit person, publicly.

#brave #brendaneich

Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminAug 23, 2023
@badgrandpa btw, trying to point at something you think is worse as a distraction from the discussion at hand isn't a tactic that works past the age of five or so. Either address the issue or don't.
Show threadMichael DaumAug 23, 2023
@badgrandpa
Here is some news for you: free speech has got legal limits.
Show threadEngywookSep 1, 2023
I don’t care. I’d rather stop using the internet altogether than going back to FF, its shitty community and the scam that Mozilla is.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 1, 2023

@Engywuck Cool story bro.

Also, there are other browsers besides Brave that are not run by shitvipers who fund anti-LGBTQIA organizations.

Show threadEngywookSep 1, 2023
But I like Brave, so I’ll keep using it.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 1, 2023
@Engywuck Yeah I know, people cool with bigotry tend to look past other people's bigotry.
Show threadpaxSep 2, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck not everyone cares about lgbt that much to use worse browser because of that.
I for example am like: whatever. I don't care.
if you want to hate on me because of that?
fine.
I can block you and go on my daily stuff.
just people, please don't insult people because you are not agreeing with their decision.
that what I'm asking.
I understand if the company would sell your data to google like mozilla loves to do, yep, hate on them.
if the company would sell your data to meta: yep, hate on them: remove their browser.
but never do it if they just don't agree with you on some stuff that aren't related.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 2, 2023

@pax @Engywuck Nah, I draw the line at people who dehumanize others. I don't need to respect that.

Also I wasn't defending Mozilla, that's the weird thing dropped in here to distract from my point. I'm simply pointing out who the founder of Brave is. That's all. He's a terrible person who uses his money to oppress and dehumanize others. People like that should never, ever be supported.

Show threadpaxSep 2, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck so, what I should be used?
it needs to be as good as brave.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 2, 2023
@pax @Engywuck There are dozens of options and it depends entirely on what you are prioritizing. Any Chromium based browser by default has about 90% of what Brave has, so out of the remaining 10% what is important to you (and why are you asking me to do your homework?).
Show threadpaxSep 2, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck most of chromium based browsers are spyware.
Show threadpaxSep 2, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck I avoid using spyware browsers like plague.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 2, 2023
@pax @Engywuck I use straight up Chromium with no google or other services connected. Works quite well, is easy to lock down and is my mainstay for PWAs.
Show threadpaxSep 3, 2023
@Engywuck @reflex chromium stil has some spyware in it. C want something that would stop websites from tracking me.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 3, 2023
@pax @Engywuck I don't know what you are defining a spyware or blocking trackers but 1) it's easy to turn off any telemetry and I don't remember Chromium enabling any by default, and 2) Brave is actually not great at privacy, lots of reviewers have noted it's inadequacies there. It's pretty easy to do better if that is your primary reason to use it.
Show threadpaxSep 3, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck so, I don't trust google.
I don't want anything that was compiled by them, or was written by them, unless it was modified to roughly to remove any shit from there.
any proov that brave isn't that good?
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 3, 2023

@pax @Engywuck So to your first point, I think you are confusing Chrome with Chromium. Chromium is an engine and open source browser project many corporations and individuals contribute to, including Google. Chrome is Google's fork of the Chromium project, and I advise against Chrome for likely similar reasons as you.

Chromium itself is a independent and safe project and most modern browsers, including Brave, are based on it. All Google code in Chromium is also in Brave.

Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 3, 2023

@pax @Engywuck As for Brave, I've mentioned the ethical issues related to the founder and his backers. I'd also add that it's not actually good as a privacy/security browser and has had years of unethical and deceptive practices around it. I'm not going to do a giant deep dive, but for a simple to understand example here is one article that documents how untrustworthy they are.

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2020/06/06/the-brave-web-browser-is-hijacking-links-and-inserting-affiliate-codes/

The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

How does this keep happening? It is a mystery.

Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain
Show threadpaxSep 4, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck eh, some crypto stuff that I don't care about.
chromium is stil made by google, it stil could contain spyvare.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 6, 2023

@pax @Engywuck The link I sent wasn't about crypto stuff, you may wish to read it. It was about deceptive and privacy breaking practices by the company. Here's another one:

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/02/22/brave-browser-was-exposing-addresses-in-tor-mode-for-months/

I could list these all day, it's been one of the least secure and private browsers on the market for a while.

As to your other point, every concern you have about Chromium applies to Brave. Brave starts with the Chromium code, just like Chrome does, and has all the Google bits.

Show threadpaxSep 6, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck ok, this one actually looks like they made a mistake.
programmers are human, too, it's why they can make mistakes too!
yeah, the bug was there for a year, but it actually wasn't discovered by anyone by untill 2021.
Show threadpaxSep 6, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck using waterfox now.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 6, 2023
@pax @Engywuck A better choice.
Show threadpaxSep 6, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck oh no!
this browser is broken with voiceover, I can't use it, mostly it works, but word navigation is broken as well as read all mode.
so I need to find anything out.
btw I found out that chromium stil has connections to google.
Show threadDavid Fleetwood - RG AdminSep 7, 2023

@pax @Engywuck I'm not sure what you mean by connections to Google. It's open source, Google contributes as does Microsoft, Vivaldi and thousands of contributors. It's also the basis for tons of browsers, including Chrome, Brave, Edge, Vivaldi, etc. The code is right there to examine and everyone does.

If you want only code untouched by Google you need a Mozilla based browser, almost all others are based on Chromium which includes Google as one of many contributors.

Show threadpaxSep 7, 2023
@reflex @Engywuck yep, but it stil phones and sends info to google.