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nicman24Stop using chrome. Yes brave is chrome
SkullGamer205 
@nicman24 firefox is not chromium....
are you saying firefox is chrome? because i wanted to thank you for exposing me to the stupidest shit ill read today, thank you for getting it out the way early.
I think he means Firefox is not Chromium-based; Chrome is a proprietary code base, no one can access it besides internal Google employees. Chromium, on the other hand, is open source, and is what browsers such as Edge, Firefox, and Opera are based off of. Chrome is also based off Chromium, it’s the closed source browser Google distributes. Think of Chromium as Android, and the Pixel UI as Chrome.
So no, I doubt he means Firefox is Chrome.
Incorrect dukk. Firefox isn’t built on Chromium, Firefox predates google let alone Google chromium.
I’m not saying Firefox uses Chromium? I specifically said that Firefox ISN’T based off Chrome/Chromium.
VeniconeBut you left it up like a real OG, respect.
Firefox is the only major browser standing today that’s not based on Chromium/Gecko, so you’re right there.
Firefox does not predate Google. Firefox is a descendant of Mozilla, which started as a broken chunk of quickly open sourced Netscape Navigator 4.0 code. Netscape’s engineers ripped out everything they didn’t hold a license to and dumped it raw (and uncompilable) on the web for the OSS community to rebuild. This happed just before Netscape was finished being acquired by AOL.
AOL did rebrand Netscape Navigator as AOL Browser, but it didn’t gain any significant market share.
Google was founded about the same time (about two years later) as Netscape Navigator was released. So, you can either say Firefox’s history is older than Google or the actual Firefox project is younger than Google.
In February 1998, approximately one year prior to its acquisition by AOL, Netscape released the source code for its browser and created the Mozilla Organization
Google Founded September 4, 1998
Mozilla, Gecko and what everyone now commonly refers to as Firefox predates Google.
We’re all technically correct so far. Since that’s the best kind of correct I say we high five and enjoy reveling in our knowledge of nerddom history.
The best kind indeed. You’re a good human.
Nope. Firefox doesn’t use Chromium at all. It’s based on Gecko, and entirely different codebase that predates chromium.
Firefox uses their own engine IIRC, that’s why more people should be using it so we can get some competition with Chromium.
FlakyI think the management’s recent decisions, as well as the removal/lack of power-user features for those users, have moved a lot of people away from Firefox, myself included. They really need to focus on providing really good software, not get caught up in trying to chase trends or forcing services people don’t want. This WIRED article does a good job explaining the issues.
I am keeping an eye on Pulse Browser, which is an experimental fork of Firefox with uBlock Origin pre-installed and some UI customisations. They’ve got a sidebar with “web panels” very much like Vivaldi’s Panels, and they’ve got vertical tabs like Edge. People also seem to be posting suggestions to their discussion page on GitHub. It’s early days, but if they listen and try to implement some of the suggested features to their best ability, it could be a much better Firefox than Firefox itself.
Edit: From Pulse’s Discord, I just found out Mozilla bought Fakespot and are integrating that into Firefox. Some people are definitely going to think that’s bloat.
Thank you for mentioning a non-chromium browser with vertical tabs, genuinely something FF would benefit from.
No problem! Tree Style Tabs might also do the job on base Firefox with nested tabs, but it’s not as streamlined as Pulse or Edge, especially if you want to hide the tab bar (you have to edit .CSS files).
edit: okay enabling both features, moving the main side panel to the right and enable tab collapsing makes a great space-saving setup.
edit 2: now i’m using pulse as my main browser
Yeah but if you dont support Mozilla Firefox the project will run out of resources and only one engine will be left chromium.
Oh, I support Gecko. More browser engines to compete against Chromium the better. I just can’t use Firefox in its current state right now. Thankfully, Pulse seems to be picking up the slack in places.
Edit: I’ve thought about it a bit, and honestly, even if you choose a fork of Firefox, that still supports Firefox. If Brave, Vivaldi, Opera and Edge are all Chromium and that’s a reason that Chromium has flourished, the same will ring true for anything that forks Firefox. One of Pulse’s aims is to make tooling for building a Firefox-based browser easier, and their fork is part of that.
Gecko, the underlying engine behind Firefox, is an entirely different code base from Chromium
Firefox doesn’t use chromium. It uses Gecko, which is an entirely separate codebase.
But that’s also not private as has been claimed as a reason to go FF. The only reason to use FF is only to not use chrome. Not for all the reasons that chrome is bad.
Tor Browser, LibreWolf, and Arkenfox JS are the most secure and private browsers you can get and they’re all based on Firefox. If they’re not private enough for you, I don’t know what is