There is a spectre haunting the lemmyverse

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1019349

There is a spectre haunting the lemmyverse - Lemmygrad

It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies

I haven’t heard of you yet, what are they complaining about? I’ve only heard complaints about Nazis and fascists, not commies

It’s an instance for Communists, specifically Communists who support AES (actually existing socialism). In short, we think that the USSR and PRC (among others), while not perfect, were legitimate attempts at building Socialism and better than Capitalism as it exists in the West.

Other people don’t like that because, to them, Stalin was just Red Hitler and Xi Jinping is literally committing a genocide right now. Neither are true.

Ah okay I can see how that’s controversial, given China is heavy on censorship and control, and in reality they’re just another form of capitalism run by a rich oligarchy. Plus with the way the world has changed, I think a new system is needed because we’re heading towards enough automation that not everyone should need to work.

I don’t know much about the USSR so I won’t comment on that

China is not run by a rich ogliarchy. source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIOg_K6Z1fg
Never Gonna Give You Up But It's MIKU Instead

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I approve of the source, however disagree with the conclusions
Ok but in all honestly, just because there are rich people in China doesn’t mean it’s a ā€˜capitalist ogliarchy’. Sure, there are billionaires in the party, but they have just as much power as any farmer or worker, no more and no less.
That’s not true in the slightest though? I mean the very fact that there are different wages, there’s poverty, China invests heavily in foreign companies (both the government and private Chinese corporations), that’s all capitalism. The farmer doesn’t have any say in what tencent or the China Evergrande Group does

Oh my god there are companies, guess there’s no more socialism guys!1!1!!1

Just because there are companies does not mean that China is revisionist. And Tencent and China Evergrande have nothing to do with the government. Why would they?

I also want to add, I feel like I was legitimately trying to engage with you and you’ve become defensive/lumped me in with others, which isn’t really fair

Not the person you replied to, but we get a decent amount of bad faith posters here from other instances, and you were repeating some of those points. I don’t think there was ill intent by either of you, but I can understand the confusion.

I hope we don’t feel like a hostile place and I hope you learned something!