ImOnADiet🇵🇸 (He/Him)There is a spectre haunting the lemmyverse
ShikadiI haven’t heard of you yet, what are they complaining about? I’ve only heard complaints about Nazis and fascists, not commies
Drewfro66It’s an instance for Communists, specifically Communists who support AES (actually existing socialism). In short, we think that the USSR and PRC (among others), while not perfect, were legitimate attempts at building Socialism and better than Capitalism as it exists in the West.
Other people don’t like that because, to them, Stalin was just Red Hitler and Xi Jinping is literally committing a genocide right now. Neither are true.
I don’t know if the user in the rest of this thread reflects the rest of this community, but they’re basically putting words in my mouth and disagreeing with things I’m not even saying. I’m anti capitalism, but that kind of behavior definitely makes me think this isn’t a place I want to be a part of.
Lemmygrad is a space for Communists who support AES. If you do not support China, you’re probably correct that this instance is not for you.
But I think you’ll find it’s a fine place to engage as long as you keep questions about the legitimacy of past and present Socialist experiments to the !communism101 comm.
The fact of the matter is that, while China does have billionaires, it is not an Oligarchy in the same way the United States or Russia is because these people do not hold the power in society. In China, the Communist Party does; and while you might say that the CPC overvalues its own bureaucracy and the so-called “Labor Aristocracy”, it still more-or-less represents Working Class values. There are laws in place that mandate certain proportions of Communist Party membership and leadership come from certain positions and industries specifically to avoid it becoming beholden to the very-rich.
I’m not pro China, but that doesn’t mean I’m not open to learning about why you are pro China. Your response is constructive and brings to the table things I didn’t know and can now further research. From the perspective of someone who works for a US corp that does business with China, and who has co workers from China, workers best interests aren’t being protected at any reasonable level like they are in say Germany. But I also am aware that even though my working conditions are fine, the awful working conditions for other jobs in the US (some from the same company I work for) are covered up and hidden from the public eye as well