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Trump causes confusion by sharing meme calling Jan 6 a ‘government staged riot’ even though he was in power

https://lemm.ee/post/1934163

Trump causes confusion by sharing meme calling Jan 6 a ‘government staged riot’ even though he was in power - lemm.ee

The meme has been liked nearly 9,000 times and shared 2,400 times as of Monday. In reaction to Mr Trump’s repost, journalist Aaron Rupar sarcastically wrote on Twitter: “rubbing my last 2 brain cells together as I try to remember who ran the government on January 6.” The former president shared the meme despite a House committee that investigated January 6 declaring Mr Trump the “central cause” of the day’s events. “None of the events of January 6th would have happened without him,” the House panel wrote in its final report.

ATQ Jul 24, 2023

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ATQ Jul 24, 2023

Trump hurt himself in confusion.

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transmatrix Jul 24, 2023

It’s super effective

Domille Jul 24, 2023

came to comment this lol

paddirn Jul 24, 2023

The most generous interpretation I can think of is that he was talking about the “deep state”, some sort of hidden conspiracy of government workers working against him… by getting Trump himself to support this massive rally that everyone knew was going to turn violent and getting him to use incendiary language that would get people riled up, then also getting him to delay calling in help for as long as possible and even going so far as to get his Secret Service agents to refuse to drive him back to the rioters after he wanted to go back. Either this deep state is super nefarious and tricky… or Trump is just easily manipulated.

over_clox Jul 24, 2023

It’s called projecting. Everything he’s ever said, done, and/or screwed up, he tries to blame others.

His supporters need to wake up and quit drinking the orange juice.

abort_christian_babies Jul 24, 2023

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

over_clox Jul 24, 2023

Damn. 😂

jrburkh Jul 25, 2023

It’s wild though because I don’t think he’s intending to be disingenuous when he projects. He just thinks this is normal because it’s all he knows.

blivet Jul 24, 2023

Personally I think it's just the usual incoherent right-wing worldview. Their concept of "the government" somehow doesn't include the president, the military, or law enforcement.

paddirn Jul 24, 2023

It only doesn’t include the president when they have an “®” next to their name. Otherwise, we’re currently living under the brutally totalitarian, yet bumbling and senile, dictatorship of the Biden regime.

blivet Jul 24, 2023

You're correct of course. How could I have forgotten?

Zeppo Jul 24, 2023

Trump supporters and media have been claiming undercover instigators from the FBI (I suppose the “deep state”) were planted in the crowd to egg them into violence and law-breaking.

over_clox Jul 24, 2023

LOL, Jerboa says this post has -2 comments!

Zombiepirate Jul 24, 2023

I’m showing -1 on Connect.

How funny!

over_clox Jul 24, 2023

Indeed haha! We’re in the positive now at least.

bdesk Jul 24, 2023

Who is this Jerboa and why does he say this?

over_clox Jul 24, 2023

Jerboa is one of the myriad of mobile Lemmy apps.

bdesk Jul 24, 2023

Who is Lemmy and why does he have so many appmirers?

transmatrix Jul 24, 2023

Android-only mobile Lemmy App

matsubass24 Jul 24, 2023

It’s a little more complicated than that.

CMLVI Jul 24, 2023

I don't think it is lol. It's a rally he and his proponents called for, organized, and sought supporters for, specifically to halt the election process. Whether or not it was successful doesn't matter; I'd still get charged for robbery whether I stole money or not. It was govt supported; it was his rally, the sitting president. To me, the point was for it to be violent and messy, preventing the legal counting of votes, and giving him time to build a legal case for martial law or some other two-ply defense while he called more AGs and state officials to grift for votes to be "found" or valid ballots thrown out.

Is what the meme says supportive of him? No. Is he aware of that? Seemingly no. Is it incorrect? Also no. And that's the funniest part. It's literally calling it a riot while the most prominent images are his name on a hat, a flag, etc. Who staged this riot? I wonder...

transmatrix Jul 24, 2023

Exactly. The time and location of his rally was not incidental.

matsubass24 Jul 25, 2023

These are all good points. By saying it is more complicated, my intention wasn’t to absolve him of responsibility but merely highlight that other government actors influenced the events of that day. Namely, FBI instigators encouraging violence, Capitol Police deaths being falsely attributed to happening during the riots, there not being enough security at the Capitol, Capitol Police waving in protestors, etc. It was his rally and he played an integral part so ultimately I agree with you but I contend it was more complicated than “Trump said violently enter the Capitol” or “other government actors are responsible and not Trump”. In other words, Trump was an irresponsible dumbass but there are definitely other forces who want to make sure Trump will never be president again.

CMLVI Jul 25, 2023

See, I feel like the lack of security and other questionable actions were more in favor of Trump, allowing the crowd to move more freely and come closer than ever would be possible if they responded as expected. I'm not exactly up on my 1/6 lore recently, but regardless, shit wasn't handled correctly, regardless of what side you're on. Motivations get much more murky, which is insane. It just goes to show the state of US politics that were having to deep dive into primary, secondary, tertiary motives.

Not that other major nation politics isn't the same, it's just exhausting.

matsubass24 Jul 28, 2023

Yeah you’re totally right. That pretty much sums up Trump’s entire presidency. As someone who leans progressive, I was hoping he was playing 3D chess at times and would fix certain things given the overlap between populist and progressive ideas. But instead, we just got chaos.

Sanctus Jul 24, 2023

Please do elaborate.

hoodatninja Jul 24, 2023

Please don't encourage them. Mods just ban anyone who goes "STOP THE STEAL" and such. Seriously we do not want these folks here. I don't care if someone disagrees with me but at some point we need to remember "the paradox of intolerance."

betterdeadthanreddit Jul 24, 2023

Hold your breath long enough for brain damage to set in and the truth will be revealed.

matsubass24 Jul 25, 2023

😂

matsubass24 Jul 25, 2023

By saying it is more complicated, my intent wasn’t to absolve Trump of responsibility but to suggest that other government actors influenced the events of that day. Namely, FBI instigators encouraging violence, Capitol Police deaths being falsely attributed to happening during the riots, there not being enough security at the Capitol, Capitol Police waving in protestors, etc. It was his rally and he played a very integral and important part but I contend it was more complicated than “Trump said violently enter the Capitol” or “other government actors are responsible and not Trump”. In other words, Trump was an irresponsible dumbass but there are definitely other forces who want to make sure Trump will never be president again.

Sanctus Jul 25, 2023

I don’t think anyone is arguing that it is 100% all Trump’s fault. We know there are countless people under him in our society that aided. Did these people do this to make him look bad? It is very possible in this wide and wackey world. Though, I would conjecture a lot of those who “followed orders” on that day were doing so at the behest of Trump. I have no idea why I cannot see these replies on Connect but I can’t.

matsubass24 Jul 28, 2023

Yeah, can’t argue with anything you said. Trump is the king of chaos.

EnderWi99in Jul 24, 2023

It really isn't though. Donald Trump took to Twitter and went on camera to quite literally call his base to action. There's copious recoed of all of his actions throughout. He called for it and they came. There's really no gray area here.

TheQuantumPhysicist Jul 24, 2023

You’re in the middle of a swamp of bots and leftists. Don’t bother.

There have been tons of investigations, footage, evidence and all kinds of data that shows that calling this “insurrection” is laughable, but here we are with the standard goofy leftist that doesn’t follow the news “I’ll call it insurrection because orange man bad”. At this point it’s just pathetic!

Even CNN called the Newyork’s DOJ indictment “underwhelming”. Let them keep dreaming!

I hope you enjoy the civil war you’re creating. I’ll be laughing on the other side of the world. You deserve it!

Everyone is free to be as dumb as they want. Who gives a sh*t!

shottymcb Jul 25, 2023

What’s your definition of insurrection?

matsubass24 Jul 25, 2023

Haha I was just testing out Lemmy and didn’t honestly expect anyone to respond. But I agree with you.

Sanctus Jul 25, 2023

From Encyclopedia Britannica:
insurrection, an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity by a group of its citizens or subjects; also, any act of engaging in such a revolt. An insurrection may facilitate or bring about a revolution, which is a radical change in the form of government or political system of a state, and it may be initiated or provoked by an act of sedition, which is an incitement to revolt or rebellion.

Sounds about right to me, what am I missing?

crusa187 Jul 24, 2023

Is it confusing when he is honest or what? I don’t get it. Even a broken clock can be right twice per day.

Trump and other republicans in government power staged an attempted coups on Jan 6. It’s not a conspiracy theory or anything, I didn’t even realize this was debated, it’s literally what happened.

GunnarRunnar Jul 24, 2023

He probably just got confused. You know like how old people sometimes get. Jokes aside this makes most sense to me.

transmatrix Jul 24, 2023

Right, but it wasn’t to “cover up a stolen election” it was to try and steal an election Trump lost.

Delusional Jul 24, 2023

Well you know how republicans deal with indisputable proven facts, they ignore them.

Poggervania Jul 24, 2023

It’s “debated” (and I use that term very loosely) because the current US Fascist Republican party and its voter base need to keep gaslighting the general public about what actually happened on Jan 6.

Like, any rational person knows that Jan 6 was obviously an insurrection attempt, which I like to think is the majority of the US - but apparently there’s a very vocal sect of citizens who would be pretty okay with a fascist state so long as it’s branded with a big red R.

aski3252 Jul 24, 2023

According to the article, the meme said "January 6 will go down in history as the day the government staged a riot to cover up the fact that they certified a fraudulent election.”, which is pretty comfusing if you try to look at it logically.

But of course, within Trump’s fantasy world he built, it makes somewhat sense because of course it’s actually “the deep state” that is behind everything…

TechyDad Jul 24, 2023

The meme said that it was a government staged riot and that the government also knew that the election was fraudulent. Obviously, neither are true.

Trump is trying to claim that the government somehow staged 1/6 like the crowd wasn’t really Trump supporters whipped up into a frenzy by him and set loose on the Capitol. Instead, it was some mixture of deep state FBI agents and antifa who conspired to make it seem like Trump did this.

It’s total garbage and is easily debunked, but Trump doesn’t care about the truth. That explanation would absolve him if any guilt so he’ll cling to that regardless of the facts

NegativeLookBehind Jul 24, 2023

Clearly it was Obamas fault

Acetanilide Jul 24, 2023

Thanks Obama

PolarPerspective Jul 24, 2023

Well, keep in mind how much footage there was of the capitol police letting “rioters” in and escorting them throughout the building as if they were on tour. I remember reading that there were opportunities to shore up the area out of concern there would be riots, since it was fairly obvious that there was going to be discontent, but the democrats declined.

I will make the standard disavowal that the riots shouldn’t have happened, and those involved should be charged and prosecuted accordingly. But Trump very specifically said to protest peacefully during his speech that day.

My take on all of this has always been that the establishment hates Trump, sees him as a legitimate threat to their way of doing business, and have always exaggerated and highlighted anything they could to make him look like the most evil and incompetent person possible. I don’t think you could neutrally look at all the evidence and think otherwise. I was a Democrat supporter before Trump came along. When I saw how united and unfair the portrayal of the man was by democrats and mass media, I realized the extent of corruption in the system, and more was slowly revealed over the next decade.

They want you to hate anyone who would upset the status quo. It’s the same thing they did to Tulsi Gabbard. Anyone who is anti-war, pro-America, and is for populism and against globalism. Just watch for yourself. These people get fat off of selling Americans out to foreign interests and by feeding the war machine. They can’t do that if we stop playing world police and start focusing on initiatives that improve the value of local labor. It requires us to rip up free trade deals and to stop funding military and PMCs, where a lot of elites make big money. That’s why populists get shut out.

Jan 6 was a handful of people doing something stupid. They’ve turned it into a giant cross to lay on the entire moderate and conservative voter base. If you think that’s reasonable, you’re being tribal, not rational.

🐱TheCat Jul 24, 2023

ROFL imagine thinking the establishment hates Trump. Trump family is OLD OLD OLD MONEY, they are part of the establishment, kiddie-fucking Epstein clients and all.

The fact that he convinced you he was anti-establishment just shows that he’s a decent con man. I can’t think of one fucking scrap of evidence that’s he’s anti-establishment, and he sure did pass those tax cuts for the rich and run that money printer while in office (even in 2019, pre-pandemic), and he sure did let those Jan 6 people rot in jail.

So if you’re STILL thinking he’s anti-establishment I have a bridge to sell you.

yiliu Jul 24, 2023

Trump may be rich, but he’s also a fucking idiot, and a populist. Those are terrible for business. He desperately wants to be ‘the establishment’, but he’s not.

The tax cuts (and the attempt at repealing Obamacare) were part of the trade he made with the Republican party, and Paul Ryan in particular, in exchange for their support.

🐱TheCat Jul 24, 2023

Uhhuh and did he have to run the money printer to get their support too? Nah? I guess we’ll ignore that one (and the Epstein jab) because the repubs can’t blame anyone else for those.

I have no idea what people think a ‘populist’ is anymore. If you mean ‘he tries to appeal to the working man’ then most politicians do, and in fact the entire GOP platform is blaming the government for things (while running the government).

If you mean he ‘blames the elites while being part of it’ then, duh, so do many people including Tucker Carlson have been doing for that for decades. Does that make them populists or con men?

In studies, the predicting factor for Trump voters was authoritarianism. Seems ironic somehow.

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yiliu Jul 24, 2023

Are you under the impression that I’m a Republican, much less a Trump supporter? I’m not trying to defend Trump, I loathe him and I sincerely hope he goes to jail for the January 6th riot, because that set an extremely dangerous precedent. At the same time, facts are facts.

The money printer kicked in specifically due to COVID. Before that Trump gave some big tax breaks to corporations, as well as an offshore-tax amnesty. You can definitely be mad at him for that, but it wasn’t paid for with newly-minted money.

If Trump is shown to have abused minors with Epstein, that’s another very good reason to put him in jail. But Epstein did his best to rub shoulders with the rich & famous, and pedophilia is not an airborne disease, so the fact that some rich or famous person is associated with him in some way is not sufficient proof to me that they’re a pedophile. If somebody in my neighborhood was convicted as a pedophile, I wouldn’t immediately assume that everybody who ever hitched a ride with him or went to see the superbowl at his place was also a pedophile.

I would agree that ‘populist’ pretty much means ‘con-man’. It’s somebody who basically says: Everything that’s wrong with the world, and your life specifically, is somebody else’s fault! You people are great, you’re the real salt of the earth, keep doing exactly what you’re doing! Vote for me and I’ll make things better for you and worse for everybody you don’t like! Anybody who suggests there’s more nuance to the situation is your enemy!

Tucker Carlson is 100% a populist.

The mainstream Republican party of the post-Bush years was never really populist, because they kinda loathed their own voters too much for that. They’d pander, but their heart wasn’t in it. The big schism in the party today is basically between the new populists and the old elitists…which is pretty much the state of the Democratic party as well.

🐱TheCat Jul 25, 2023

We mostly agree, I just need to push back against the assertion that trump started money printing post covid.

He started loudly blaming the FED and calling for money printing in August 2019, well before COVID

He wanted a juiced economy for the election year, nothing else

Crimfresh Jul 24, 2023

You're amazingly uninformed.

"But Trump very specifically said to protest peacefully during his speech that day."

No, he told them they have to "fight like hell" and sent them to the capitol. The speech was on national television. Wake the hell up.

Nougat Jul 24, 2023

I was a Democrat supporter before Trump came along.

No you were not, astroturfing sockpuppet.

OsrsNeedsF2P Jul 24, 2023

Eh, me too. And check my account if you think I’m an astroturf.

There were a lot of Democrats who switched after seeing what the DMC did to Bernie Sanders. I will personally never vote for the Democrats going forward.

Flying Squid Jul 24, 2023

How do you go from voting for Sanders to voting for Trump? They don’t agree on pretty much anything!

Nougat Jul 24, 2023

Being angry over how the DNC handled the 2016 primaries, having been in favor of Sanders, is one thing; embracing the Republican party is quite another. The second does not reasonably follow from the first. Republican politics is in direct opposition to pretty much anything Bernie Sanders has ever said.

AbidanYre Jul 24, 2023

I thought everyone gave up trying push the #walkaway bullshit years ago when they realized no one was buying it.

OsrsNeedsF2P Jul 24, 2023

“I literally cannot fathom someone having a different view from me”