cowb0y
novemberThis comic I drew like two years ago is still relevant.
dang, this did numbers, trans rights
Graphiar@november Wtf does Trans rights have to do with this lmao
oceaniceternity@november oh I might give qutebrowser a go. Never heard of it. Been using Firefox for the past couple of years.
Sherab@november @oceaniceternity I forgot about qutebrowser Oh maybe because I discovered the appropriate Firefox add on but maybe go back to try it
@wisdomlight @november what was the addon that you needed?
enchantedsleeper ๐โญ@november I'm sold on the haunted forest
Echedelle โง@november I would replace SeaMonkey by Pale Moon.
UXP has been the new place of XUL for years and SeaMonkey is no more than something that will die sooner than expected because they preferred continuing to deal with their old and deprecated version without providing any progress.
UXP has been the new place of XUL for years and SeaMonkey is no more than something that will die sooner than expected because they preferred continuing to deal with their old and deprecated version without providing any progress.
@elr Not a big fan of Pale Moon's devs, unfortunately, after the tantrums they pitched about the Ad Nauseam extension and OpenBSD.
@november Matt a Tobin was "fired" for his manners and bad faith done in things inside project development.
The OpenBSD thing was his cause. The rest of the team were mostly tolerating him.
I sure don't agree they let him in initially but now is banned for good.
The OpenBSD thing was his cause. The rest of the team were mostly tolerating him.
I sure don't agree they let him in initially but now is banned for good.
@elr Oh, that's good to hear. Didn't know that, to be honest; in the last year or so the only times I've paid attention to Pale Moon have been to see which of their extensions work on SeaMonkey.
@november XUL is now being developed in UXP and SeaMonkey dev team passed their opportunity to advance leaving them with a broken XUL port that is not even surviving with patches.
They either go back and integrate with UXP or duplicate efforts and modernize their stack.
They either go back and integrate with UXP or duplicate efforts and modernize their stack.
Jules Enriquez@win8linux @november since that time things changed and you can build unbranded automatically (that configuration is the default) under the name New Moon which is what Rosa Linux uses/d.
@win8linux @november the point with OpenBSD thing was that the author was building with brand but Matt A. Tobin was being an asshole and coming out hostile in every sense.
I doubt the person understood anything ever.
The point was:
* you want branded -> follow rules (Mozilla also does this and made special exceptions)
* you want unbranded -> it is literally the default building recipe to get the same working
I doubt the person understood anything ever.
The point was:
* you want branded -> follow rules (Mozilla also does this and made special exceptions)
* you want unbranded -> it is literally the default building recipe to get the same working
@elr @win8linux The repository was a work-in-progress staging area. Moonchild also replied and was not especially polite, either, and didn't seem bothered by Tobin's tone. Mozilla does not go into random Github projects and say "You will remove [blah blah]."
It would have been literally as easy as saying "Hey, can you do this to be in compliance with Pale Moon's license?"
It's also really funny that in response to a drawing that made fun of multiple different browsers, which I did for the luls, not as a reasoned or nuanced critique... the only person complaining is someone whose preferred browser *wasn't even included*.
@november @win8linux mozilla did a similar thing with Debian back in time. Yes, a big project probably has nothing to do with a very small one in comparison.
And yes, Wolfbeast was not exactly good there and tolerated the intolerable there. I don't deny that.
And yes, Wolfbeast was not exactly good there and tolerated the intolerable there. I don't deny that.
@elr Oh jeez, I forgot about the time Mozilla did that.
Reading through the mailing list discussion, they weren't super polite, but they also weren't as hostile as Tobin. ๐คท
Joshix@november I think Moonchild just got to the point. I wasn't really rude, just without nice words (text conversations are hard).
I think the others acted a bit childish. They could've just complied (Moonchild named removing the --enable-official-branding option as an easy fix).
You need to protect your Trade Mark if you don't want to lose it. So the PaleMoon devs don't really have a choice. (and better warn early than late, when it's hard to change)
Mozilla is the same. That's the reason Firefox is named Fennec in F-Droid.
Fiona@november thank you, it was a joy for me to read through the comics ๐
Polychrome 
@november the lack of XUL extensions remains the primary reason to not pick the Dark Forest over Sea Monkey.
halva@november built-in you can't use XUL extensions in the haunted forest, but you can call upon Xรปl, Rage of a Thousand Souls to aid you in the forgotten realm.
maksim :oun-b:@november qutebrowser runs on blink too I think
Kyle Strand
Migrated to @[email protected] ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐๐ง๐ทLuana๐ง๐ท๐๐ณ๏ธโ๐Jul 23, 2023@november another vivaldi con is that itโs chromium
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Julian@november Also the CEO of Brave apparently hates gays, which is a clear con for me.
Vio
Shine@november Also Brave: Owned by known homophobe.
Softwarewolf@november Ahh XUL. I remember thee fondly.
kafran 
@november Safari is not even a considerable options ๐๐
mirabilos@mirabilos I forgot Lynx XD My bad
Karyl 
@mirabilos @november Canโt have ads if you donโt have images. ๐
@november @paintedsky more like the lack of JS, you get few text-based ones but most are loaded from JS.
We do have images, just not inline, in lynx.
Blortโข ๐โ๐ฅโฃ๏ธConvinced me to switch to A Haunted Forest, although I miss AdBlock.
Haven't looked back since, though.
Do NOT Fear|๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐๐@november I've replaced Chrome almost completely with Edge, except when I need to use specific Chrome extensions
@november (Firefox is still my daily driver on all platforms)
DeerFloat@november but why does it have to be open source?
Jason@november I use vim and I'd never heard of qutebrowser. It's great, thanks for alerting me to it! Will go check out that haunted forest later tonight.
Andres Jalinton@november holy molly that is quite a job in the drawing and description.
I nominate this for the #AltTextAwards
I nominate this for the #AltTextAwards
Job DestroyerPakemoon is nice for minimal sites
Tipa@november I moved to the Haunted Forest browser a few months ago. It ate one of my cats, but the other one is smart enough to stay out of the room when I'm browsing so ph'nglui mglw'nafh cthulhu r'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Moved to @@november Ironically, Firefox is the best browser of the bunch. Even with its potential being crippled by Google, the user experience is still so superb, so I can't really ever switch to anything besides what are essentially forks of it (I use Librewolf in my desktop).
There's also dumb things about Brave browser besides promoting its shitcoin. It's interface is closer to Chrome than Firefox, which basically means that it's just Chrome without Google. I mean, that's still an improvement, but I'm already a Firefox user. I'm not going back to a browser with a worse interface, having no customizable toolbar, bookmarks menu, and such.
There's also dumb things about Brave browser besides promoting its shitcoin. It's interface is closer to Chrome than Firefox, which basically means that it's just Chrome without Google. I mean, that's still an improvement, but I'm already a Firefox user. I'm not going back to a browser with a worse interface, having no customizable toolbar, bookmarks menu, and such.
Fossery Tech 
@november
LibreWolf
Pros: It's Firefox without the telemetry crap.
Cons: No cons.
Gnome Web
Pros: Not Chromium.
Cons: Slow as hell, the promised extension support never comes.
Ungoogled Chromium
Pros: No Google spyware.
Cons: Microphone support is broken, not all packages are updated regularly.
(And I would add strong fingerprint protection to Brave Pros)
snott@november it really is ๐