novemberThis comic I drew like two years ago is still relevant.
Echedelle ⚧@november I would replace SeaMonkey by Pale Moon.
UXP has been the new place of XUL for years and SeaMonkey is no more than something that will die sooner than expected because they preferred continuing to deal with their old and deprecated version without providing any progress.
UXP has been the new place of XUL for years and SeaMonkey is no more than something that will die sooner than expected because they preferred continuing to deal with their old and deprecated version without providing any progress.
@elr Not a big fan of Pale Moon's devs, unfortunately, after the tantrums they pitched about the Ad Nauseam extension and OpenBSD.
@november Matt a Tobin was "fired" for his manners and bad faith done in things inside project development.
The OpenBSD thing was his cause. The rest of the team were mostly tolerating him.
I sure don't agree they let him in initially but now is banned for good.
The OpenBSD thing was his cause. The rest of the team were mostly tolerating him.
I sure don't agree they let him in initially but now is banned for good.
@elr Oh, that's good to hear. Didn't know that, to be honest; in the last year or so the only times I've paid attention to Pale Moon have been to see which of their extensions work on SeaMonkey.
Jules Enriquez@win8linux @november since that time things changed and you can build unbranded automatically (that configuration is the default) under the name New Moon which is what Rosa Linux uses/d.
@win8linux @november the point with OpenBSD thing was that the author was building with brand but Matt A. Tobin was being an asshole and coming out hostile in every sense.
I doubt the person understood anything ever.
The point was:
* you want branded -> follow rules (Mozilla also does this and made special exceptions)
* you want unbranded -> it is literally the default building recipe to get the same working
I doubt the person understood anything ever.
The point was:
* you want branded -> follow rules (Mozilla also does this and made special exceptions)
* you want unbranded -> it is literally the default building recipe to get the same working
@elr @win8linux The repository was a work-in-progress staging area. Moonchild also replied and was not especially polite, either, and didn't seem bothered by Tobin's tone. Mozilla does not go into random Github projects and say "You will remove [blah blah]."
It would have been literally as easy as saying "Hey, can you do this to be in compliance with Pale Moon's license?"
It's also really funny that in response to a drawing that made fun of multiple different browsers, which I did for the luls, not as a reasoned or nuanced critique... the only person complaining is someone whose preferred browser *wasn't even included*.
@november @win8linux mozilla did a similar thing with Debian back in time. Yes, a big project probably has nothing to do with a very small one in comparison.
And yes, Wolfbeast was not exactly good there and tolerated the intolerable there. I don't deny that.
And yes, Wolfbeast was not exactly good there and tolerated the intolerable there. I don't deny that.
@elr Oh jeez, I forgot about the time Mozilla did that.
Reading through the mailing list discussion, they weren't super polite, but they also weren't as hostile as Tobin. 🤷
Joshix@november I think Moonchild just got to the point. I wasn't really rude, just without nice words (text conversations are hard).
I think the others acted a bit childish. They could've just complied (Moonchild named removing the --enable-official-branding option as an easy fix).
You need to protect your Trade Mark if you don't want to lose it. So the PaleMoon devs don't really have a choice. (and better warn early than late, when it's hard to change)
Mozilla is the same. That's the reason Firefox is named Fennec in F-Droid.