I don't understand why more blockchain people aren't on mastodon. Obviously the grifters want to be where the suckers are, but I'm talking about the serious people. The network is literally decentralised, what more do they want?
@julesh they want to own it, which is why they're building their own protocols like bluesky and nostr
@Zanzi As I need to keep repeating: I'm talking about the serious people, not the grifters…
@julesh you'll have to show me a constructive way to tell them apart!
@julesh having worked in the space a common refrain is iT iSnT dEcEnTrAlIzEd If ItS nOt BuIlT oN tHe BlOcKChAiN which is the dumbest thing ever
@jennwrites Oh yeah, I think this is probably the biggest reason... This protocol isn't trustless, but building a trustless social network is solving a problem that pretty much doesn't exist in return for a heap of downsides, and federation mostly solves the same problem but better
@julesh @jennwrites that last sentence is of course true for Blockchain in general - every solution it proposes can be had more easily by some other means with fewer downsides. Or has someone finally found the killer app for Blockchain and I missed it?
@julesh @jennwrites Trustlessness and things like whether you have a cryptographically signed identity which you migrate with you when..... I'll stop now because I'm pretty far over my head about the details, but there are other protocols (or perhaps imagined not fully designed protocols, I'm not really sure which) which are closer to a crypto world ideal than something like ActivityPub.
@julesh “The network is literally decentralised, what more do they want?” —
I think their problem is that there is no money involved, no smart contracts, just people talking to each other.
For them, everyone is just a homo oeconomicus, and access to money central for freedom. What happens here they do not understand, or they believe that it is the wrong idea.

I see quite alot of bitcoiners on Nostr

Not sure if I'd count them all as 'serious'

@julesh not only are there no other crypto people here to talk to, this place is actively hostile to it. Nobody wants to be called suckers and grifters. Nostr and Deso are better places for those topics.

@schizanon Indeed. Most serious crypto people will at least put more effort than me into being political about it. This place is at least good enough for Vitalik and a handful of other people to at least sometimes post

Way I see it, this network *should* be too big and diverse to have one culture. I want to see several large cliques of servers that only partially federate with each other, that's decentralisation working as intended. That's how twitter felt back in the good times