YoBuckStopsHereThe science is clear. So why can’t governments agree on vaping?
LexiconDexiconBecause people enjoy taking drugs and they always will. Being a dictator and telling people they can’t do what they want with their own body is hilariously out of touch
It’s the drugs going into air that other people have to breathe, or behavior while under the influence that endangers other people that’s the problem.
dismalnowAnd when the government can effectively prevent massive amounts of benzene from going into the air, they are more than welcome to work on the trace amounts of nicotine.
We should only make beating others illegal once we successfully prevented all murder
It's about ease of enforcement. If you can't enforce a law, it's bullshit lip service.
It’s not a zero sum. You can be against both.
One is clearly worse, can be stopped, and isn't bullshit.
The other is whiny bullshit, and your analogy sucks.
ScubusBut people aren’t against it. They are against cigarettes and vaping because they don’t like them. Alchohol? Totally fine. Pills? Goochie. Caffeine? Can’t live without it. And if it’s a matter of smell, then when are we making not showering illegal? Also, axe body spray, perfumes, incense, and any other form of non-consensual smells?
These things will never be banned because people like them. The same argument applies, but it doesn’t get railed against because they don’t bother you.
Th4tGuyIIYou'd be right, but those trace amount of nicotine are often going straight into our faces for the crime of being downwind of someone smoking/vaping without a care in the world.
Health effects aside, I'd appreciate not having to breath in or smell other people's second-hand smoke/vape.
The “selfish” argument goes both ways, you’re just as selfish for telling people what they can do with their own body as they are for blowing smoke in your face
It does go both ways, but saying "my body, my right" when what you're doing has a physical, unhealthy effect on the people around you I'd argue is more selfish than my wanting you to stop.
Imagine if people just stood outside of buildings constantly coughing and spluttering germs at you whenever you walked past. You'd want them to stop, no?
There's more nicotine in your average pasta sauce than you'll absorb by following a vaping person for an hour. I know you're talking about a principle.. but it's not a very strong argument. "I don't want to whiff your anal residue so we should ban farting outdoors"
Okay, assuming that's true, when I eat pasta with sauce, the person next to me doesn't end up ingesting my pasta sauce.
When you smoke/vape, the people are forced to inhale your exhaust as they breath (which we don't really get a lot of choice in doing).
It's like saying because you got an X-ray you shouldn't worry about bathing in the sun for too long.
You missed the point. More accurate would be: because you watched TV for an hour you shouldn't worry about someone shining a flashlight on you. That's the level of consequences we're talking about and it sounds ridiculous when someone blows them out of proportions. Maybe we should start worrying about anal residue too because people are farting outside.
You’re breathing the same air they are, whether you can see it or not…
██████████you are one selfish bastard huh
I'd argue the people blowing their exhaust onto passers by are more selfish, considering the passers by don't get a choice in breathing, but sure I'm the selfish one.