I do badly want to like these… but I don’t see the point.

Repairability wise mid range ThinkPad is nearly as good. Only major difference is I think Framework claims they will release schematics… and as someone who actually does component level repairs I’ve seen promises like this work I’ve or twice, but then they stop maintaining their data or pays get hard to get rendering the gesture null.

Upgrade wise… I switch machines every 4 to 6 years… at which point the chassis has a bit of wear and tear.

Spec wise I buy what I need and add a little headroom with the ThinkPad.

Spare parts are good for ThinkPad and Lenovo actually has component replacement guides that no one seems to mention or know about.

And when I do upgrade I appreciate having a complete spare machine.

I think it’s also not unreasonable to assume my style of buying and upgrading is not uncommon.

This leaves the Framework very few hardware advantages and nil price advantages.

I still think they’re a great idea, but I don’t see any practical benefit over a sensible alternative.

Genuine question… Have I missed anything?

Well, framework has one fool side-effect of their repair-friendly approach: their laptop mainboard can be used as an SBC. I’ve seen a few projects use it in this way, and I believe they even sell an official plastic case for it. It’s a well-documented piece of computer hardware that is regularly updated and can be fitted easily into slim chassis.

Oh, and another cool thing is that their screens have magnetic bezels. ThinkPads are a PITA to fix if you just want to replace an LCD panel; framework makes it trivial to keep the upper chassis and only replace the part that’s actually broken. That’s the real pitch with Framework: replace anything easily and upgrade your computer for only the cost of the mainboard or socketable component. Some of their newer devices have a socketable PCIe expansion bay, which could be used for things like socketable GPU upgrades.

I just had a look at their motherboards, nearly AUD$1000 shipped for the cheapest available 12th gen board… board only.

Just bought a ThinkPad with 16gb dual channel and 1TB nvme for $60 less than this and it has an on-site warranty.

I love the idea but the pricing is insane.

Just pricing the minimum possible 16" machine came to AUD$2400 with no ram, no SSD, no OS, no numpad and no charger.

Add all this things, even self bought your looking at over $3k or even $4k if you want the GPU

I wish them luck… They’re going to need it.

Maybe Australia’s offerings are different, but I see this board with an 11th gen i5 for USD $299. There’s a ton in the $300-500 price range with several different configurations. That’s really the interesting range for doing hobby projects.