had an insight into what I'm aiming for in terms of my relationship with technology

I call it living an "analog life"

it doesn't literally mean that the tech I use has to be analog

it means that I'm trying to return to as much of a pre-smartphone existence as possible

more thoughts on this later, but I'm curious how anyone else has tried for this in their own life?

@mimsical intentionally spending time in places with no service like very large parks is a very good way to force this

@mimsical

There is a group here (I don't know what it is called on Redit) called dumbphones. Plenty of people there who have done it or tried to do it. But many don't want to give up some apps that are primarily known for smart phone use.

@mimsical I read some news on digital, but I try to have actual pulp in my hands as often as I can, instead (books, New Scientist, Boston Sunday Globe, the SciPlus catalog, etc.)
@mimsical This just sounds like August life, just before eternal September.
@mimsical The biggest thing for me is turning off nearly all notifications on my phone. That way I'm not constantly interrupted, but I still have an infinite version of the book I always carried, and the camera I would have carried if it weren't a pain.
@cstrauber @mimsical another idea I’ve adopted to minimize the impact of carrying a smartphone has been turning it on grayscale mode unless absolutely necessary. Turns out it’s actually less enticing to reflexively check a bunch of drab gray apps.

@antiquedigital @cstrauber that's brilliant! I just did this. Curious to see how it works out for me.

https://www.theverge.com/23637672/grayscale-iphone-android-pixel-samsung-galaxy-how-to

How to turn your phone screen to grayscale

Grayscale is easy on the eyes and helps discourage you from spending the night watching videos. Here’s how to switch the displays on your iPhone, Samsung Galaxy phone, and Android Pixel to grayscale.

The Verge
@mimsical @cstrauber I find it helpful to assign the function to a shortcut or gesture (I think mine is set to three clicks on the power button), that way you’re not having to go menu diving every time you want to take a picture.
@cstrauber yeah I did this long ago and it's been huge for me. I don't have push notifications on for anything save Google Photos (I enjoy seeing "on this day a year ago" type notifications)
@mimsical just the phone?
@dr2chase other screens aren't so enervating for me.

@mimsical I’ve done it in spurts. But always returned. The reliance on medical and banking institutions on apps and communication technology make it impractical to break away for me personally.

I’m in the process of educating a relative how to deal with life online. She is now dealing with long term memory care for a spouse, and who has always relied on analog methods of communication and transactions. She’s always distrusted tech. Now she has to learn to live with it and is hating it.

@mimsical 1/2 Turning off notifications on your phone helps, as someone else noted.

Before I quit Twitter, Facebook, etc altogether, and was a bit addicted to them, I deleted the apps from my phone and blocked the sites in my phone's browser. Making it harder to use those services makes it easier to avoid them.

I also used to change my passwords and then log out without saving the password (they were random, and impossible to remember). That way I could stay away for weeks/months at a time.

@mimsical 2/2 Social media addiction fragmented my attention to the point where I found it difficult to read books. Taking the steps above allowed me to regain my attention and to become immersed in reading again — both paper and ebooks.

Also, have a hobby! Preferably something outdoors, like gardening or walking. But indoor things as well, for bad weather. Baking? Woodwork? Something using your hands.

I don't avoid phones altogether, but aim to have a richer analog life alongside them.

@mimsical 3/2 🙂 Literally analog: setting up a place where I can sit and listen to music has been very enriching. Much of that music is on vinyl. I love the physicality of the experience as opposed to streaming through my phone. I stream too, but again it's a question of balancing and enriching life.
@mimsical I wish you luck! Here’s some things that helped me a lot to make my peace with screens:
- shifting my writing to text files with markdown; no word, Google docs etc; the freedom and flexibility is amazing
- pdfs and epubs instead of kindle; I don’t care about the device any more, the best book is the one at hand and oftentimes that’s my phone 🤷🏼‍♂️
- I write a lot on paper (gets discarded eod); remarkable is a great addition to journals and for books

@mimsical there are still a lot of screens in my life, but I figured for me it’s not about the screens per se, it’s more about the engagement loops and the feeling of not controlling it.

There’s a functional and an aesthetic side to it, and it’s worth it to consider both.

@mimsical I think AJ Jacobs wrote a book about this
@mimsical Sleep with your cell phone charging in a different room, and read a dead-tree book for a half hour before bed. This drastically improved my sleep.
@harksaw yeah I love this idea. I do this.

@mimsical I want to rid myself of a smart phone as well, but currently there are a few things holding me back:

* I want to be able to message "sorry, I'm 15min late" and please no SMS, Signal is the way to go.
* Navigation
* Music streaming
* Payments

IMHO a standalone eSIM smart watch could very much suit these use cases, if it can do speech recognition & speech output. Unfortunately there's no product really fitting that bill.

There are of course other features I'd like to see such as

* 2FA codes
* Environment warning
* Fitness tracker

Non-goals are anything I actually need to interact with a lot, social media, mails, larger chats, …

@ljrk a cousin of mine has an iPad with LTE and he uses it for all the functions you just described -- save texting and calls which he does on his flip phone

@mimsical Yep, much better for mental health probably :'-)

My skirts tend to not have pockets and it's also a hassle with sports so I'd still prefer a wearable solution. A small feature phone would also be okay – but they tend not to support Signal or similar :/

@mimsical Listening to whatever the radio (my dad’s, from the 60’s) happens to play in the summer cottage and tinkring with a mokka percolator to brew a cup.
@seagarden I love it. I got a little old-school radio off a friend and sometimes I just tune it to the local classical music station while I work.
@mimsical Cool! The lo-fi sound is funny enough the best part. 🙂
@seagarden omg, yes. distortion = warmth.
@mimsical Some. I got an alarm clock again but with nicer sounds and scheduling. So my phones stay out. I use RocketBooks for notes but they are easy to then digitize. But I enjoy writing. I got a work phone that only has work apps and accounts. Which was hard at first but I’m on my phone less at night. I got a MiyooMini to play old NES games if I’m looking for a a game break. A round of tetris or a level of Mario usually checks the box. Treated myself to a nice watch.
@mimsical on one hand, my lifestyle is closest to the 90s and I didn't even have a smartphone until 8 years ago. On the other hand, I find the internet so essential. Yes, I have a library card, dvds, and audiobooks on cassette, but it's just easier to stream. I think I'm deliberate about my digital use at least.
@mimsical I switched to a flip phone recently, and the only things that I miss are navigation and easy texting. I have found myself gravitating towards stuff, like 35 mm film over digital, tangible books over e-books, and embracing actual phone calls, as long as it’s not a telemarketer.
I still use my old S9 at home on Wi-Fi mostly for things like mastodon.

@mimsical The key things I have found are

1) The phone shouldn't demand my attention unless it's on behalf of another human or because I set a timer or alarm.
2) The things I do on the phone should be transactional and not encourage me to stay beyond getting the task done.

No notifications. No social media. When you pick up your phone and your options are things like online banking, your todo list, and your budgeting app it all feels like work.

@mimsical My son decided that smartphones and social media were bad for his mental health (smart man). He's still searching for the phone that does just enough to take advantage of modern tech without leading to compulsive doomscrolling.

I'm just trying to get back to reading books on paper again. The internet has wrecked my attention span.

@jimbush Jelly Star is maybe a candidate?
@mimsical logout from social media on a smartphone, it goes a long way in breaking the habit of mindless scrolling of random topics
@mimsical Yep. As much as I can get away with. Sending friends letters written in longhand and then scanned and sent as email attachments.

@mimsical I use wired headphones (IEMs) and listen to high fidelity audio (96-192khz).

Now that I'm used to how good it sounds I don't use streaming apps. The quality from the physical wire is very refreshing, I also have a music player that is text only, so I can type the name of the song and it plays, no user interface.

It is still digital, but I find it calming and grounding.

@mimsical Lately I've been listening to music + podcasts on an MP3 player (they still exist!) and, when possible, reading articles on an ebook reader.

It means I have to create my own music collection, and put together articles that I want to read, and then put them on their respective devices.

I like the idea of intentionally choosing what content I am going to consume, instead of just turning on the magic rectangle of distraction and seeing something right away.

@mimsical methinks a big feature of the analogue life was the choke on the amount of pertinent and current information, that you were able to pull, instantly, into your daily life. If you were lucky, the encyclopedia, in dad’s study was only a decade out of date, the Time magazine subscription had been renewed (despite no one reading it). And you spent hours in the local bookshop, that had five or six books on the shelves, that matched your interests. Was a well stocked store.