fugepeWhat are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?
adonisNew user: I have a problem š
Everyone:š
- are you on xorg or wayland?
- pulseaudio or pipewire?
- what WM/DE are you using?
- amd or nvidia?
- what distro?
- systemd?
New user: Nevermind š®āšØ
if a new user is using a distro that doesnāt use systemd they fell for a meme
if a new user is using a distro that doesnāt use systemd they fell for a meme
Or they hate fridge art like systemd and are on something like PCLinuxOS or Alpine.
Thatās what I mean though, why would a new user be running alpine as a desktop os?
jan teliThat would be me: My hardware at the time was crap so I couldnāt use the usual mint, ubuntu, etc and I was gonna use debian but I couldnāt find the x86 download button, so after a bunch of messing about with distros like puppy and #!++, I settled on alpine for a bit. I now have decent hardware and use fedora.
At this point, my biggest dream is that these ānew userā distros used only Wayland, Pipewire, Systemd and Flatpaks simply to simplify things. Hopefully weāre less than 2024 away from NoVideo Wayland support.
Also as soon as XFCE releases their Wayland support, that soon itāll become the most famous DE choice of Mint.
What I am really happy is to see how well supported Pipewire already is. Pipewire has never showed any problem in the new installs for me.
So ā¦ basically Pop!_OS.
Thatās what Iām using now, and itās what Iād recommend for most desktop users. Iāve been using Linux systems on-and-off since before kernel version 1.0: Slackware, then Debian, then Ubuntu, then Mint, then Pop.
(Admittedly, my use cases are pretty simple: a terminal, a browser, Signal, VLC, and Steam.)
JarmerPretty much. Pop is my go-to recommendation for pretty much anyone these days. Itās so well polished and just easy.
OwlThis PopOs ?
Linux HATES Me ā Daily Driver Challenge Pt.1
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This whole series triggered me so hard. They went out of their way to test it under the worst possible conditions.
- last at night
- setting a goal with a deadline/time constraints for first run
- not stopping and reading or thinking, just assuming away
- copy paste from google frsit thing that looks vagualy right
- tunnel vission
- not resources like Emily, ensuring they make big mistakes
Then they follow up with hypocrisy of this shit, after going on and on about UI not being right or hard to use for the end user.
Why Windows Still Has The Old Control Panel
KindaABigDylThe problem with that is most major distros market themselves as ānew userā distros to some extent though. Noob-friendly, out-of-the-box, easy, etc are all distro-marketing buzz-words that mean nothing.
You canāt expect them to only use Wayland, Pipewire, Systemd, and Flatpaks because that dream requires every distro to use Wayland, Pipewire, Systemd, and Flatpaks, which will never be reality.
Most distros will probably eventually adopt these tools, but there wonāt be a sudden shift. It will be gradual.
Well, for Pipewire itās the apps which needs to adjust at this point. Only thing missing currently is the Wayland but itās coming. Making Linux less fragmented (read: confusing), the more new users will give a try.
Systemd
Fridge art. Fuck, they MAYBE have nfsroot working. MAYBE. After a decade of fucking around, when it was available for ages. The number of bags on the side of lennartās piece of crap, just to reinvent the wheels we had before, is absolutely ridiculous.
and Flatpaks
ā¦ break single source of truth for as-built information and current software manifest. This kills validation, which dissolves certainty on consistency, then repeatability. And given the state of the software load exported to management tools is NOT the flatpak source of truth, you now have a false negative on the āinstallationā of a flatpak resource when checking it via management.
Oh. That needs to be on the interview questions.
EuroNutellaManGonna be honest with you Iām an intermediate user and understood jack shit of what you just said. A beginner and average user would have probably been scared off by Linux by this point rewding this.
If I understood the funny words magic man correctly, he is complaining that flatpaks donāt come from a single trusted source and may become a vector for malware, unlike official distro repositories. Still, that was a very technobabble way of saying it.
That sounds to me like OP is trying to seem smarter than he is then
A beginner and average user would have probably been scared off by Linux by this point rewding this.
Maybe thats what he/she was trying to achieve.
pipewire seems ready for primetime but Iām more dubious about Wayland. For instance KDE appears to still be a bit flaky and sway still works poorly under Nvidia and will never have proper mixed DPI for xwayland apps. Still seems like a tradeoff vs X which doesnāt require a compromise. XFCE is roughly 10% of Mint users. Mint users are unlikely to switch because of wayland support
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Ī±ā ĻĻāŃŃĻĻŃSo you want them to provide answers by using magic? If you seek support for any software, open source or otherwise, youāll need to tell them version, build number etc. Why do you think Linux will be any different?
Because people can already barely provide this level of information for a Windows device. Most of these words look like technobabble to non-tech-enthusiasts
Of course the words will be different. They arenāt hard words. And they can answer all of these very easily. In fact, most forums ask to include an output of something like inxi -Fazy with every question, thus eliminating the need for all of these things.
For more niche problems, people might ask for more specific information. But most of the time, theyāll tell you exactly what to run to get that information.
You know whatās the Windows alternative for this? Most of the time, nothing. You need to reinstall Windows. Mac is similar, except you need to have it replaced. You actually CAN repair Linux. Thatās the difference.
Doing tech support, I encountered this attitude. People like that are nearly impossible to help. āWhy canāt you just fix it!ā The true answer never given is that your problem is probably something stupid you are doing, like trying to make a phone call by physically shoving the phone entirely up your asshole, and until I run through some common problems and ask some questions, I wonāt be able to tell you to have your significant other get the salad tongs and pull it out of your rear and then go over ādialing.ā
People mostly need to be willing to gather detailed system info with Inxi and share it.
No. Thatās the support job to figure out the problem of the user. It is not the userās job to figure out the support problems.
I work in support, so I know what Iām talking about. Unfortunately most computer guys are elitist assholes who canāt understand a user doesnāt have their knowledge or even the will to understand why this shitty tech is not working.
Free open source software projects you donāt pay for donāt have paid support. If you talk to a fellow user it IS your job to figure out your problem. if you donāt have the will to understand anything you ought to buy a support contract.
ZoidsbergI donāt disagree with you, but to answer OPās question, I think this right here is the problem. I love Linux for the same reason I love building my own PCs and working on my own car. For most people that donāt want to tinker, though, theyāre looking for something that ājust worksā and can be fixed by someone else when it breaks.
Itās such a privileged attitude, though. One CAN get paid support, but they donāt need it if theyāre just a bit patient and willing to follow instructions. If you donāt want to pay, donāt expect someone else to deal with your bullshit.
(Iām not saying this to you, but to anyone who has this attitude.)
It can subject wasnāt entirely clear in my prior post I agree with you, and that is exactly what I was trying to say. You the user of a foss project, arenāt a customer unless you give someone money. It IS your job to figure out your own issues. If you ask for help from your fellow users and they graciously provide you help then this is a gift you should appreciate. Because the person isnāt an expert on that topic in the employ of the creator, they might not know everything, nor do they have the infinite patience imparted by being paid by the hour to provide you help. They have their own shit to do. Treating them with entitlement and contempt like people treat support will burn these sorts of folks out, and they are far from an infinite resource. If you want a paid support relationship instead of treating the open source community as free help whose time you are entitled to, you ought to actually pay someone to do that job.
Pay for support then. Companies like Canonical and Redhat will be happy to take your money.
CoderKatIāll have you know I get better reception when itās up my ass!
Why donāt you magically have a magic button that magically fixes everything with no effort of my own? Thatās stupid, I think I will go on social media and repeatedly tell everyone that Linux is bad actually