The failure of the Internet to deliver its promise is particularly noticeable when you hunt for repair manuals for a product from the 90s. Used to be, the information would either be there or not there, finable or unfindable.

Now, there are hundreds of algorithmically generated sites claiming to have it just because it appeared in their search logs, generating potemkin village content traps with endless paging, broken-thumbnail named-like-the-file-you-want but actually-just-ebay-photos bullshit

@eaton This is also why it's such a problem that independent websites are now falling so far down search engine rankings. When I was younger, if you had a problem with A Thing from a larger category of Things, you'd go to a website run by some Thing Enthusiast or group of them, and look your Thing up in the site's index or inbuilt search box. If it wasn't there, you'd post on the site's forum and another Thing Owner might help. But now... good luck even finding out that indie site exists.

@bioluminescently @eaton that’s a perfect descriptions of what I loved about the Internet.

You could find the enthusiasts and get their expertise by simply reading what they wrote for the world to see.

EDIT: though that was also the time when running a Forum wasn’t a full-time job just to keep the spambots out …

@ArneBab @bioluminescently @eaton

Totally agree, it applies to basically everything with a product code or make/model number today.

The answer was a community of humans, it used to be called Reddit until someone burned it down. I have heard great things about Lemmy, though I have yet to try it myself. I guess that the best response to AI spam is the return to the original search engine, a 1st generation Yahoo like index with categories, and a way to keep the SEO out.

Https://join-lemmy.org

Lemmy - A decentralised discussion platform for communities

Lemmy

@james I think the first index — dmoz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMOZ — with categories would be hard to scale.

The only thing getting close to it nowadays is Wikipedia.

And then I read up on it and realize that it’s actually still active: https://curlie.org/

That’s the followup project of DMOZ. License is cc attribution.

@bioluminescently @eaton

DMOZ - Wikipedia

@ArneBab @james @eaton Thank you! I'm so glad that this conversation is throwing up examples of what we want!