Mastodawn

What are some "new" rights you'd like to see countries commit to?

https://lemmy.world/post/1540729

What are some "new" rights you'd like to see countries commit to? - Lemmy.world

I know some places are more progressive in this regard. But from the U.S., I’d like to see every person entitled to: - shelter - food - healthcare - education and higher education (As an aside, not sure “right” is the best term here, I think of these more as commitments that society would make because we have abundance. One advantage of the word “right” is that a person is justified in expecting it - it’s not welfare/ a benefit / a privilege)

Izzy Jul 15, 2023

Digital privacy. It should be illegal to track and store data on people without their consent.

fubo Jul 15, 2023

Hmm. If you were to assault me, and my friend took your picture while you’re doing it, should you be allowed to forbid my friend from publicly posting that picture?

A picture of you is certainly data about you. And you’d presumably prefer that they not publish evidence that you assaulted me. However, I think it’s in the public interest that my friend should get to publish their photo even without your consent.

rosatherad Jul 15, 2023

I'm no expert but I think there are (or should be) exemptions in the case of crime

Schmedes Jul 16, 2023

Often you don’t know a crime has been committed at the time, which is why businesses are expected to have data retention periods for legal reasons.

But everyone keeps pointing to any data retention as some sort of big brother boogeyman.

xenspidey Jul 15, 2023

Yes, innocent until proven guilty. The picture would be logged in as evidence to the authorities.

Derproid Jul 16, 2023

And we all trust the authorities.

xenspidey Jul 16, 2023

Nope definitely not, but, you can’t just post people’s pics online saying they assaulted you.

intensely_human Jul 18, 2023

Especially now that we have AI-generated imagery.

Izzy Jul 16, 2023

A single picture is circumstantial. I’m more talking about mass collections of information for some kind of data analysis.

Armok_the_bunny Jul 16, 2023

That’s where the reasonable expectation of privacy provision usually comes into play. It is already illegal to go up to the window of someone’s home and take pictures of them, why then is it legal for companies like google to gather information about your activity, such as browsing habits, without asking or even notifying you. Microsoft is another really bad offender here, modern versions of Windows collect and transmit massive amounts of telemetry regarding everything from what hardware you’re using to what programs you run and how often, just as a basic part of the operating system.

Aux Jul 16, 2023

I don’t understand why people always talk about Microsoft. ALL mainstream operating systems track everything you do. If anything, Microsoft were the last to join the party.

Armok_the_bunny Jul 17, 2023

The reason is that windows is used on nearly 3/4 of all desktop computers (source: statista.com/…/global-market-share-of-windows-7/), but that doesn’t change the question of ‘why the fuck should anoybody be allowed to do that?’ Also I would call Linux at least mainstream parallel, in that I would guess most people have at least heard of it, and it doesn’t inherently track your activity.

Desktop operating system market share 2013-2024 | Statista

Microsoft's Windows was the dominant desktop operating system (OS) worldwide as of February 2024, with a market share of around 72 percent.

Statista

intensely_human Jul 18, 2023

I’m still mad about what they did to netflix. I should have the right to not have to delete IE when I get a new computer. I mean netscape.

Aux Jul 18, 2023

First of all, most people are using their mobile devices for the most time, so tracking in Android and iOS is a lot more important. Also more people have phones than desktops.

Second, Linux distros have tracking too. Ubuntu for example.

Armok_the_bunny Jul 18, 2023

I won’t argue that tracking on mobile isn’t more important, but I will argue that it shouldn’t be allowed at all, or at least not without an informative opt in for those systems who insist on having one. And when I say informative I mean telling the user exactly what information is being gathered, why, how often, and who else can see or gets sold it.

Aux Jul 19, 2023

I agree, but once again - why so much hate towards Microsoft specifically? They have less invasive tracking of all, which can easily be disabled. Unlike what you’re getting from Google and Apple.

Armok_the_bunny Jul 19, 2023

I use Microsoft rather than Apple because I don’t use any Apple products and am significantly less informed on the level of tracking they employ, and I use Microsoft rather than Google because Microsoft in in charge of the operating system I use and is making my user experience measurably worse with the amount of crap they run and track by default. Google on the other hand only tracks what I do over the internet, and even then not all of it (though they actually do probably get everything I do since I haven’t worked up the motivation to switch to Firefox yet). I also will say I actually don’t much mind someone tracking what parts of a website I visit, such as what products I view on Steam or Amazon, so long as I have an actual account that tracking is attached to.

It is also important I feel to emphasize I am only giving examples, hate all involuntary tracking, and hope that any theoretical anti-tracking laws would be broad enough to stop this kind of behavior from every company rather than just a few.

Aux Jul 20, 2023

Cool, but you have a phone in your pocket and it’s a lot more invasive.

Armok_the_bunny Jul 23, 2023

I had forgotten about phones actually, yeah fuck that and fuck me for forgetting about it.

fubo Jul 15, 2023

Anyone held in prison, jail, or other confinement shall be permitted to post up to one kilobyte (1024 characters) of text every day. These posts shall be published on a public web site operated by the imprisoning authority, and in print form in the imprisoning authority’s capital city or other central location. These posts shall be tagged with the prisoner’s name, geographic location, and any identification number the imprisoning authority uses.

This serves a few purposes:

No government or other authority may hold a prisoner secretly.
All prisoners may plead their innocence to anyone who cares to hear.
No prisoner is to be held in such complete isolation that they can’t communicate to the public about the conditions of their imprisonment.
Anyone interested in auditing the state of their government’s prisons may begin by inspecting the stated locations of prisoners.
Any prisoner who is not literate shall be afforded literacy education to enable them to participate.

Pyro Jul 16, 2023

This may go awry if some prisoners are not remorseful. For example, let’s say an extremist murdered some women because he believes them to be inferior. They could use this as a platform it to spout their ideals and to convince others to do it. It would also make it trivial to pass messages from imprisoned gang members outwards to the still-free members. Not exactly things we want to encourage.

freehugs Jul 16, 2023

It’s also never going to be an effective method for transparency once the government/facility inevitably starts censoring certain contributors for more or less legitimate safety concerns. Most inmates already have ways to communicate with the outside world anyway through their lawyers and families, so I don’t really see the point for either side of the cell door.

intensely_human Jul 18, 2023

Yeah because what if the prisoners are like Hannibal Lector and use their speech to remote control people and commit crimes from prison?

sumofchemicals Jul 17, 2023

I think there’s some legitimate concern about essentially giving prisoners a broadcast. You’re right that they ought to have some minimum amount of guaranteed communication, but more in the sense that they can call their family or friends without having to pay fees.

Also would love to see solitary confinement outlawed.

intensely_human Jul 18, 2023

What if they have no friends or family?

T0rrent01 Jul 18, 2023

Also another problem would be that some languages are more character-efficient than others. E.g. Chinese vs English vs Navajo.

intensely_human Jul 18, 2023

Yeah but what if the prisoners use their 1024 kb to talk about ivermectin, or about eating tide pods, or claiming that sriracha hot sauce is overhyped garbage, or other harmful disinformation?

Didn’t think of that did ya?

/s

intensely_human Jul 18, 2023

1 kb whatever

banana_meccanica Jul 15, 2023

A living wage for every human. This society have the money to cover all, but still we accept to let other humans die on poverty because “they don’t contribute to the capitalism”. Fucking disgusting everyday.

pewgar_seemsimandroid Jul 15, 2023

since someone already said digital privacy il pick : one free domestic flight per month if have certain conditions like being blind or deaf and being under 5 or over 62 or missing 1 to 2 arms ir legs

pewgar_seemsimandroid Jul 15, 2023

those are just examples

macniel Jul 15, 2023

Irrevocable right of bodily expression

Irrevocable right if abortion

No tax exemptions for any type of religion.

xenspidey Jul 15, 2023

Bodily expression is too broad, also tax exemptions for no one would be better.

NoIWontPickaName Jul 16, 2023

That means no helping the disadvantaged either?

xenspidey Jul 16, 2023

We are taking about rights not assistance programs

NoIWontPickaName Jul 16, 2023

I meant tax exemptions for the needy

xenspidey Jul 16, 2023

There’s already 0 income tax for the “needy” you don’t pay any federal income tax if you make under a certain amount. That amount is not super low either if I remember correctly.

herbicarnivorous Jul 15, 2023

The right to die. At least in the US, the way we treat end of life is absolutely backwards and often the opposite of patient care. If someone wants to die despite therapy and health intervention, who are we to deny them?

LaVacaMariposa Jul 15, 2023

Yes, this is what I want to see. We give animals more dignity at the end of their life than we give humans.

Jackthelad Jul 15, 2023

It’s the same here in the UK. Even terminally ill people are not allowed to end their lives and end up having to go to Dignitas.

There was a story of one guy who was severely disabled. He needed 24-hour care and was just utterly miserable. He appealed for the right to end his life early to put an end to his suffering but the government denied him. He ended up just starving himself to death.

Vaginal_blood_fart Jul 16, 2023

Poor guy. Grim.

synack Jul 16, 2023

Canada’s MAID program is a step in the right direction, where next year even people with non-terminal mental illnesses will be eligible for assisted suicide.

Eavolution Jul 16, 2023

I'm not comfortable with mental illnesses being included, because I think especially in the past (but more recently too) suicide being easy and accepted would've encouraged me to go ahead with it, which is something I'm glad I haven't done so far.

sumofchemicals Jul 17, 2023

Glad you’re with us.

UtiAnimi Jul 16, 2023

I absolutely agree when the person has an incurable physical illness, but I’m unsure where to draw the boundary for people with psychological illnesses.

TheFriendlyDickhead Jul 17, 2023

For me it’s the age of the person. If it’s a 20 year old, their health can still get better. If it’s an 80 year old who has lost his whole family and friends and is depressed that’s a whole other thing. That’s something that is probably not going to get fixed.

iByteABit Jul 16, 2023

I agree 100%, but it’s important to note that it’s a very difficult issue. Whether someone actually wants to die or if they’re mentally ill and are making a terrible irreversible mistake is often quite a tough line to draw, making this a very complex problem to solve.

ashok36 Jul 15, 2023

A 7 year limit on having old posts, videos, writings, or other records of your words and opinions used against you. This includes no more lifetime bans on anything. If you change your ways and keep your nose clean for seven years, society can no longer use your past actions against you.

This does not apply to criminal sentencing of course, though that whole mess should be reexamined much more frequently.

🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆Jul 15, 2023

Criminal sentencing should be the same as the posts, IMO. Prison should be rehabilitating, not just punishment/legal slavery. There should be punishment, yes, but even parents who spank their children usually tell their kids why they got spanked and how not to get spanked again. Prisons seem to forgo that second part of it, and focus entirely on the spanking aspect.

cynar Jul 16, 2023

What’s frustrating is there’s an obvious and effective way to incentivise that too. You don’t even need to give up private prisons.

Just split the payment. The prison gets paid say 20% up front. The rest is paid out over the 10 years post release. If the inmate ends up back in prison, the rest of the payments are lost.

Basically, 80% of their income is made by keeping the inmates from reoffending. Kicking them to the kerb with no skills becomes a big loss. Job training, and a robust post release support network are suddenly money makers, rather than sinks.

daFRAKKINpope Jul 17, 2023

I’d never thought of this. This is a great idea. You need to shout it from the rooftops.

cynar Jul 17, 2023

I’m not American. The prison system over here, while FAR from perfect, is an order of magnitude or more better than the US system. I’d rather not let private prisons get a foothold over here.

daFRAKKINpope Jul 17, 2023

Then I will scream from the rooftops.

No one will listen to me, because everyone important is making money off the current system. But I’ll try.

afraid_of_zombies Jul 18, 2023

You could just not tweet something racist? Also how the hell do you plan on enforcing this? If I want to not be your friend because of something I know you did how are you going to force me?

🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆Jul 15, 2023

I was thinking AI/Robot rights but after seeing your list that seems silly to preemptively give AI rights just in case when we could make access to food and shelter a right…

xenspidey Jul 15, 2023

I think one problem with this is, most of you are all talking about positive rights. Rights are things government can’t take away not things the government gives you. Rights are inherent. Think of it as more the government can’t deny you food, not, the government will supply you food. The one post about abortion would be that the government can’t deny you medical autonomy, that would cover it, as well as dying if desired. Then the debate just has to decide when a life is a life and requires protection (not having that debate here)

XEAL Jul 16, 2023

Some countries have euthanasia, I want affordable suicide booths.

Having one of those days where you wish to unlive yourself? Well, wish no more!

NoIWontPickaName Jul 16, 2023

Nah, that shit needs a timer and a therapist visit at least.

Sometimes people just forget to take their meds for a while.

Digitalprimate Jul 16, 2023

That’s how it is here in NL. We have the right to die, but you need to have several consultations first, and these usually include your family and/or friends at a certain point.

I do not think it’s too invasive or cumbersome if I believe a recent article (in De Telegraaf so maybe not the most accurate?) that said the process usually takes between six months and a year.

Skellybones Jul 17, 2023

Bro buy a gun or use a rope if you need death that badly