Do you consider the term "rice" or "ricer" to be racist?
The Wikipedia definition [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner] seems to indicate it has origins as a racist term and I’ve never understood why unix users have adopted this terms instead of something benign like “themes” or “theming” which I remember being in use long before I ever heard “rice”. So what gives? Why use “rice” instead of “theme”?
I’m not a part of the demographic who would experience racism around this. So, I can’t comment there.
I am a white hipster though. So, I usually call my window manager customizations “artisanally hand crafted”.
The term comes from car modifications, when people would modify Japanese cars. Folks called them “rice burners” and it evolves from there.
I have never heard this in the Linux community, though, so it might just be a you thing
I’ve been living with this term for a decade now and this is literally the first time I hear someone gets offended from that word.
Are you const_void asian by yourself?
Lol. But if it was the case, I bet I’ve seen this word offending someone or being racist would’ve occured at least once during the decade?
Linux users still brigs up wifi and SystemD regurarly so if there were a room for this particular word being offensive I’m 100% sure it would be discussed at least twice during a decade.
I could accept op being right if this was discussed more than zero times before, even though I don’t get how and why people gets offended by any word. Even less I get why on earth anybody would get offended for some 3rd person and I accept it just being me who don’t gets it.
Again, just because no one in the room you were talking in thought it was offensive doesnt mean it’s not outside of that room.
After all, you’re here, in a different room with new people and the new people are offering you new perspectives. One of those new perspectives is that that is a racist term.
Lol. Start your personal fight and change it. Do some good and leave your name in the history by becoming a new jesus.
Are you asian or can you name just 1 asian who is offended from this term? Until that milestone I’m all laugh.
Taking away the context doesn’t make it any less racist.
How doesn’t it? I would argue most people who use the term ‘rice’ aren’t even aware of its origins.
I defenitely didn’t until this thread, and I’ve been following the custom desktop scene for a few years now.
I just assumed some weird relation to playing with your food by drawing pictures in your rice with chopsticks.
I only know the term form car tuning. And specifically used for tricked out Japanese cars. The term picked up steam after Need for Speed - Tokyo drift.
Besides that it’s also used for Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. Only cosmetics and no performance, the opposite of a sleeper car. In this case it’s a bad thing. And if a word is used in a bad way and has a possible race connection in can be considered racist. If someone feels offended because an it’s race related, just assume it’s racist.
The language used is not going to harm people. The intent is, which was my point.
Read -> Parse the meaning -> React accordingly. Is a correct way to communicate.
Read -> React to trigger word -> Disregard meaning Is not. It's just conditioned response.
If you do not think disagreement is a productive contribution, maybe you're not looking for a discussion.
Let me get this straight:
In the following scenario, the app developer is in the right?
Difference being that rice is not an insult per se, which means that using the term rice isn’t inherently racist.
To my (very obvious) thesis: “Uee Mario, pizza mare mandolino!” Isn’t racist, each of those words are innocent and have no negative meaning, yet it is racist as fuck
Checkmate to whatever you were trying to prove
I would if every Korean in my town didn’t use the term for any Japanese car or motorcycle.
Wait, that’s not racist, but it is nationalist. I think. I’ve never actually asked them if they use the term for other Asian brands.
Following that logic we should rename lots of things, as any word can be use in a despicable way.
Any word CAN be, but in this case you have a group of people telling you it IS hurtful to them. Those aren't the same thing.
Gimp is one of the few FOSS projects with some notoriety outside of tech circles. It, VLC and Linux are possibly the only names I could expect some random person to have heard of. Changing its name would probably torpedo years of work to become seen as a reliable piece of software and send it back to the realm of "software that only people who watch the code repository know about".
And the whole changing the name to avoid offending someone is a losing battle in the first place. According to this thread, "rice" is potentially racist. I had no idea anyone could find "Gimp" offensive, but apparently they can. By this point, it's part of american internet culture to be offended and no word is safe from americans turning it into a slur, dog-whistle, etc etc and advocating that everyone else in the world should stop using it.
The fact that g**p is a slur is not a new thing. It’s the equivalent of ft or rd for a large number of disabled people, and has been for years. The fact that you did not know this doesn’t make it any less true.
Do you honestly believe a name change would vault the project into obscurity? Seems like a quick press release would do it.
Honestly, I find the name Nathan really offensive.
Are you going to do something about it?
When I hear gimp outside of the context of the software, I think of gimp suits. In my area I've never heard gimp used as a slur for disabled people.
I get that there's regional slang and what not, but if every word that offended anyone anywhere was banned, we would have to limit our words.
In my area, depending who you are, a silly term as "goof" is offensive. I almost got beat up for calling a guy one as a joke. Should I petition Disney to rename Goofy?
if every word that offended anyone anywhere was banned…
I’m hearing this point a lot, but it just makes clear that people aren’t reading or understanding my other remarks. This isn’t a random word that someone decided was offensive. This is a slur that is well known to large number of disabled people. They have been telling us this for some time. You haven’t heard it used that way? That’s great, but that also doesn’t mean that it isn’t. You know who does know what slurs are used against them? The people who are targeted by them. I’ll bet there are plenty of slurs you haven’t heard of that are, in fact, still slurs regardless.
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