mountainpeacockJul 13, 2023

YSK: How to protect yourself against Etsy’s plan to prevent class action lawsuits

Why YSK: You should know that you can protect yourself as a buyer or a seller as anyone who uses Etsy. It's a very popular sales platform and they're making some changes to prevent class action lawsuits against any shenanigans they might pull against buyers and sellers on the platform. You have the ability to opt out of this to... #etsy #class

https://indiesellersguild.org/etsys-plan-to-prevent-class-action-lawsuits/

Etsy’s Plan to Prevent Class Action Lawsuits

Did you know that when you agree to Etsy's Terms of Use, you agree never to join in a class action lawsuit against them, no matter what they do? At least, that's how it used to be.  Until very recently, Etsy had a mandatory arbitration clause.  It stated that by using their service (or continuing...

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Show threadSamsonSeinfelderJul 13, 2023
Crazy that a corporate TOS can take away your legal rights like that. Sounds like Etsy is as well in the sprital of Enshittification: They lured in the Customers with great deals on personal/handworked products, they lured in more seller by offering them the customer base. Now that they are both in, they change the rules and make it just shitty enough that people do not quit, but the revenue is maximized. Here is a great 29 Minute Podcast with Cory Doctorow explaining this shift that platforms are currently making.
Cory Doctorow: Platform capitalism and the curse of "enshittification" - Future Tense

Amazon now feels more like a racket than an open shopping platform; you can't find posts from your friends on Facebook because it's clogged with unsolicited advertising; and Uber no longer seems like a cool, efficient taxi service, it's morphed instead into a global machine for turning gig workers into the new underclass – it's all part of a process Cory Doctorow has dubbed "enshittification". In this feature interview, the acclaimed Canadian sci-fi author, journalist and digital rights activist explains why the digital world seems so exploitative and taudry. But he has optimism for how things might be improved in the future.

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Show threadAlexWIWAJul 14, 2023
How on earth are these legally enforceable?
Show threadpips
Not sure about the specifics but it might not be enforceable. Just because a company says something in their TOS doesn’t mean it’s true.
Jul 14, 2023 at 2:22amWeb
Show threadslaortaJul 14, 2023
I’m currently involved in a lawsuit against amazon that is being forced through arbitration. It’s been 3 years since the process started for me with no end in site because there are 50,000 others in queue to arbitrate the same claims. This is why they do it and it is unfortunately enforceable.
Show threadthermal_shockJul 14, 2023
Your case doesn’t speak for every case.