Toyota claims battery with range of 745 miles, charges in 10 minutes

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Toyota claims battery with range of 745 miles, charges in 10 minutes - sh.itjust.works

It’s 2009, 2014, 2017 and 2020 all over again.

They keep promising great new battery tech just around the corner and never delivering.

If I was a cynic, I might think they’re simply doing it to put people off buying current EVs so they’re not saddled with ‘old tech’.

While you wait for our amazing new battery, pick yourself up a great new hybrid…

I am not currently buying but I looked at the Hyundai Ioniq? Iconic? Whatever numbers yesterday and from what I saw you could get an AWD ~50k on the road with over 300 miles range and a cost of ~$8-$10 to fill the battery going off prices in the U.S. for electricity.

That is better than what I need for sure and 1/3 the cost of gas, so I have to say the doubts and againsts are getting pretty small here. I think 0-60 was 5.1 seconds (SUV crossover) that’s as quick as I want an SUV to accelerate haha

Also depends on where you live. I can charge my Model S from 0% to 100% for about $5-$6 and get 350-400 miles.

But my friend in California would have to pay something like ~$40, which makes it a much harder sell.

Much harder sell? They’d probably be paying close to $80 for gas for the same range.

More like $60. 375 miles of range is ~12.5 gallons @ 30mpg, or ~$62 @ $5/gallon (current average in CA). If you have a hybrid getting 50mpg, it’s <$40 for that range.

An EV will cost you double or more vs an ICE, and hybrids aren’t that much more than ICE if you go on the cheaper end (e.g. a sedan instead of an SUV). Even if gas is expensive and electricity is cheap, the breakeven point is still quite a few years, which may exceed the expected lifetime of the vehicle.

Imo, you don’t get an EV because of fuel prices, you get it for other reasons, such as:

  • eco-consciousness
  • performance - EVs are pretty much universally faster
  • tech features like self-driving - ICE can do it too, so this is mostly product segmentation
  • convenience - charge at home instead of going to the gas station
  • status

I’m interested because of convenience, as in I’d love to never have to fill up my commuter. But there just isn’t an economical choice, so I stick with my Prius. I need about 150 miles of range because my work is ~25 miles away and we have cold winters (I’m assuming 50% range in winter), and 150 miles should give me enough to not worry about range for 10+ years. However, my choices right now are $30k for a Chevy (battery fire concerns), $50k for pretty much anything else, or <150 miles of range. I don’t need much, I just need a way to get from A -> B with enough range for a 50 mile round trip commute in the winter, with capacity for degradation over 10 years. And I want to spend <$20k. I can get that with used hybrids, I can’t get it with an EV.

And as far as I’m concerned, EVs won’t work for our family vehicle because we do long road trips to places with really poor charging infrastructure. 500+ miles of range would probably be enough, but 250 definitely isn’t. So we’ll be replacing out crappy ICE (~20 mpg) with a hybrid (~35 mph) for our family car, and I’ll be looking for an EV to replace my commuter (45-50 mpg) once prices start coming down on used.

Location certainly makes a huge difference, I’ve spent a total of €1016.32 for 10k miles charging at home with my Leaf.
California electric rates aren’t 4x as much. Going on actual numbers puts it around $12 at most going off your numbers. I would have put it around 16-18 originally. That said average gas in California is 4.87 right now, so that would be 10 gallons on a 35mpg car. So 48.70. More than double the cost. Not a hard sell…
Does anyone remember graphene?
I’ve been looking forward to graphene technology for like 8 years. Still hopeful though.
I want to know how they are getting that much energy safely delivered to the battery. That’s probably 200+ kWh of energy getting dumped into the battery in 10 min. That’s going to cause a lot of heat and require a massive delivery system. Maybe a local capacitor that slow charged and then dumps all at once, but I didn’t see any details on the article.
Possibly capacitors, but most likely there will be battery storage for charging systems. The Tesla V4 superchargers can deliver 1 MW of total power spread across 4 individual cars, but can only draw 350kW from the grid. To get the additional power, they have batteries connected to the system that charge up when the supercharger is delivering less than 350kW.

MCS and other standards in consideration are all around the 1-3.5MW range.

Most of the absurd luxury/sports EVs output 500kW-1MW at full acceleration (they can only keep this up for 5 minutes though). It’s not a huge leap from existing production stuff.

I wonder what the safety is like?

Right now I think Li-FePo4 cells are the safest high capacity ones on the market, you can even drill a hole through them in some cases and they don’t combust

Solid state lithium are generally much safer. Keeping them working for more than a few charges is the problem.
If they actually do this though…
It will come, I just question if the hydrogen market will best them soon after
I wonder if they finally perfected that 3D sponge battery. Rather than plates or coiled foil they make some blown copper zinc mixture i think and it causes a crazy amount of surface area for the reaction. Sounded cool years ago and then never heard anything again about it.
Last I saw the anticipated production start of that project is in the early 2030s so talking about it now is kinda moot. Whatever vehicle I buy now will be dead or near death by the time this hits dealerships
This is a technology post, not a “buy this car next” post. It’s moot if all you care about is your next car.
Meanwhile, a 2010-era gasoline Toyota will outlast the heat death of the universe. Toyota is lagging behind in EV development, but it’s largely because they’re focused on finding ways to make it last fucking forever. Toyota interiors are infamous for being really bare. But that’s because they only include the things that they can be sure will work for the next decade at least. You aren’t going to find something like a dead console touchscreen in a two year old Toyota, because Toyota won’t include a touchscreen in the console until they’ve figured out how to make them survive a lot of abuse.
This kills the Tesla
I just want an electric Tacoma. I’d trade up from my 2014 in a heart beat.
Hmm. That might actually make enough heat for a Canadian winter…
How is Toyota the only car company still not selling a single BEV vehicle?

IIRC Toyota bet hard on hydrogen fuel cell technology and have been stubbornly working on making them a thing instead of pivoting to BEVs.

Which I’m not exactly mad about or sure if it is (or isn’t, I genuinely don’t know enough about the technology to make a call) a bad decision. While it’s certainly looking right now like BEVs are the way of the future, maybe Toyota will make some breakthrough and hydrogen really will end up being the next big thing.

They’re not, they’ve had the bZ4X for over around a year now. It’s kinda mediocre but certainly not the worst BEV I’ve seen.
It definitely sucks.
Claims they could.
If you can get a downhill stretch of road that long…
Toyota is a really notorious company. They changed the whole small car segment to premium segment by bumping up the price more than 75%.
The price of everything has been bumped up 75%.
Yeah but someone started it
Yeah, I call bullshit, until proven without a doubt.
Yep, with Toyotas track record in electric vehicles, I read this as_ “do not buy an electric car now, we’ve got a really awesome thing available in the near future!”_ .

is this the same Toyota that’s actually lobbying the US government against the switch to EVs? Is this the same Toyota who had the clear advantage in EV technology but squandered it all just to keep on manufacturing thermal engines?

This is another shitty tactic, don’t believe them.

Akio Toyoda, the CEO responsible for their Anti-EV stance, was replaced on April 1st.

He was the president & CEO, now he is the chairman.

Also the grandson of the founder of Toyota.

I believe they forced him to step down because of his stubborn stance on EVs right?

They know the tech is out there, they just don’t want it and will only use as much of it as they are forced to.

There’s a reason why Tesla, a car company that was openly and explicitly set on building electric cars, was such a big deal.

745 miles. Dayamm.
Damn does the whole block brown out when you plug it in?
kW is the rate, kWh is the amount of energy. You’ve swapped them and it’s giving me a stroke to read lol
It’s called power. But yeah, it’s the rate of energy transformed.
I’m well aware, was just using terms that would be familiar for someone who swapped them already lol
Yeah, I’m gonna need to see the paperwork on that…