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CrimeDad Jul 8, 2023

What does defederating from Meta's Threads.net actually accomplish?

What does defederating from Meta's Threads.net actually accomplish? - Lemmy.one

Afaik, whenever an Activitypub instance has defederated from another it has always had to do with some combination of bad user behavior, poor moderation, and/or spam. Are the various instance admins who have decided to preemptively block threads.net [http://threads.net] simply convinced that these traits will be inevitable with it? Is it more of a symbolic move, because we all hate Meta? Or is the idea to just maintain a barrier (albeit a porous one) between us and the part of the Internet inhabited by our chuddy relatives?

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Kichae Jul 8, 2023

Anything that lands on Meta's servers is open for Meta's use, however they see fit. Providing free training data for their algorithms just isn't something everyone here is ok with.

Many of us are here consciously because we're anti-corporate exploitation, not merely because our previous hangout spot fucked around, and Meta is king shit of corporate exploitation, and we want nothing to do with anything that's helping them.

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etrotta

If by algorithms you mean things like GPT, all data on the fediverse is effectively public and arguably even easier to be collected than the likes of reddit, and is almost definitely going to be used to train models whenever or not the fediverse federates with threads.
There's still significance in defederating though, specially when it comes to preventing "Embrace, extend, and extinguish"

Embrace, extend, and extinguish - Wikipedia

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Kichae Jul 9, 2023

Being publicly viewable doesn't make it public domain. We each maintain our copyright. Our posts are our personal intellectual property.

We can't stop them from using them, but that doesn't make them theirs, and it doesn't mean we should just hand them over freely.

If they're going to use them, they can at least make the effort to take them.