CrimeDadJul 8, 2023

What does defederating from Meta's Threads.net actually accomplish?

https://lemmy.one/post/845453

What does defederating from Meta's Threads.net actually accomplish? - Lemmy.one

Afaik, whenever an Activitypub instance has defederated from another it has always had to do with some combination of bad user behavior, poor moderation, and/or spam. Are the various instance admins who have decided to preemptively block threads.net [http://threads.net] simply convinced that these traits will be inevitable with it? Is it more of a symbolic move, because we all hate Meta? Or is the idea to just maintain a barrier (albeit a porous one) between us and the part of the Internet inhabited by our chuddy relatives?

Show threadKichae

Anything that lands on Meta's servers is open for Meta's use, however they see fit. Providing free training data for their algorithms just isn't something everyone here is ok with.

Many of us are here consciously because we're anti-corporate exploitation, not merely because our previous hangout spot fucked around, and Meta is king shit of corporate exploitation, and we want nothing to do with anything that's helping them.

Jul 8, 2023 at 8:51pmWeb
Show threadetrottaJul 8, 2023
If by algorithms you mean things like GPT, all data on the fediverse is effectively public and arguably even easier to be collected than the likes of reddit, and is almost definitely going to be used to train models whenever or not the fediverse federates with threads.
There's still significance in defederating though, specially when it comes to preventing "Embrace, extend, and extinguish"
Embrace, extend, and extinguish - Wikipedia

Show threadKichaeJul 9, 2023

Being publicly viewable doesn't make it public domain. We each maintain our copyright. Our posts are our personal intellectual property.

We can't stop them from using them, but that doesn't make them theirs, and it doesn't mean we should just hand them over freely.

If they're going to use them, they can at least make the effort to take them.

Show threadFaceDeerJul 8, 2023

Providing free training data for their algorithms just isn't something everyone here is ok with.

Defederating from Meta changes nothing in this regard.

Show threadKichaeJul 9, 2023
They can take. That doesn't mean we need be ok with giving. Just because they're ok with theft IP doesn't mean we need to be ok with them doing it.
Show threadFaceDeerJul 9, 2023
What "IP theft"? By using a service built on ActivityPub you are inherently and deliberately broadcasting your posts to the public. Meta has just as much right to read those posts as I do.
Show threadBNEJul 9, 2023

I’d counterpoint by saying that Meta isn’t a person - up its not really a apples-to-apples comparison here. They’re trying to get in here to make money. Pure and simple. I’d wager we aren’t - we’re here hour community.

Our wants and needs are opposed, that’s why I’m not comfortable with letting them commercialise/monopolise whatever they want - especially somewhere that could offer us a more healthy online experience and upset their business model long term.