myrmepropagandistJul 7, 2023

I think the real “problem” the fediverse has isn’t that it’s hard to use, it’s that it doesn’t fit the pattern. It’s like if someone asks “what grocery do you order from?” and you respond “My building’s co-op, I get meals & fresh food delivered from participating farms & cooks— I do solar panel maintenance and run the website in return— plus goodie fees”
“goodie fees? … um … so is that like UberEats then?”

And what’s worse is it sounds more complex because it’s atypical— but really it’s easier

Show threadJohn ConwayJul 7, 2023
@futurebird I *hope* Threads federating will get people to understand.
Show threadTim W RESISTSJul 7, 2023
@john @futurebird I'm pretty sure it'll only make things worse / confuse people more.
Show thread🦣丁斯特DingsterJul 8, 2023
@tim @john @futurebird I don’t think people need to understand what #Fediverse is. Not an ordinary person understands how emails actually work. So long as people know that they can communicate and see other platforms from one provider, it is good enough. Average users just need to use the product.
Show threadJohn ConwayJul 8, 2023
@leftsidestory @tim @futurebird this is the very thing I’m talking about. So many people to not understand that.
Show thread🦣丁斯特DingsterJul 8, 2023
@john @tim @futurebird Yeah. That is why I’m not against #Threads being federated at all. At least not for now. A major mainstream company would speed up the infrastructure change of the whole scene. I tend to think it positively
Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyJul 8, 2023

@leftsidestory

It's the verification of and platforming of known hate groups like "gays against groomers" and "Libs of tiktok". That and the labels of disinformation on those accounts applied by people are being removed.

If threads had the same standards of moderation as the Fediverse, I'd be over there selling them books.

@john @tim @futurebird

Show threadwhetstone
@Homebrewandhacking @leftsidestory @john @tim @futurebird This is my concern too. Threads is huge, and if their moderation causes problems (which I am quite sure it will) then defederation will cut off all of those newbies from the well-moderated instances. As it should! We shouldn’t federate with the host of LoTT! But I doubt they’ll have a real chance to see how much better it can be.
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Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyJul 8, 2023

@whetstone @leftsidestory @john @tim @futurebird

Well @atomicpoet favours buffer/filter servers as sort of ambassadors. Not sure they'd be able to keep up with the technical demand of federation with Threads.

I'm not an expert but having a massive server look at you is pretty bad for small servers, even if it's friendly. All the messages back and forth are too much for smaller hosts.

That's my understanding anyway.

Show threadJohn ConwayJul 8, 2023
@Homebrewandhacking @whetstone @leftsidestory @tim @futurebird @atomicpoet I think there’s a problem with broadcasting deletions, but I’m sure Threads would solve that before launch. I’m not sure what other specific messages are meant to cause stress, but I can’t imagine why this would be much of technical hurdle for Meta. It’s not like federation exposes you to the firehose.
Show threadJohn ConwayJul 8, 2023
@Homebrewandhacking @whetstone @leftsidestory @tim @futurebird @atomicpoet although I have to say I’m not really an expert, but @Gargron seems to think it can work, and he devotedly is 😉
Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyJul 8, 2023

@john

Well the small server people see a problem, and I would say they're more experts on small servers so I guess we'll find out.